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mongooz
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well, yea. my point was that if someone switched barrels around and didn't bother to get the gap right, it would affect the accuracy.
i found that the Dan's were pretty good accuracy wise. is your's not?
DFB
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DFB
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I guess that is why .I was not a 60 gunner,I just humped a spare barrel bag a few times. 0331's were soft until the opened up. I was an anti tank gunner.
wagdog
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Your call man, if your good with it, have at it. There are cases of smith revolvers self-locking, and those are calibers with heavy recoil (which I'm thinking a 3" 44 mag is going to be).
It's not a safety, it's a lock. If it does self-engage and you don't have a key handy, you're SOL til you get a key.
Is that a new model, or might it be possible to find one pre-lock? That would be my preference.
mongooz
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i had a Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt. i used to load it up with 300 gr. Hornady XTP's and push them out the 4 5/8" barrel at around 1200+ fps
Dick Casull and John Linebaugh both used the 45 Blackhawk as the original platforms for their hand cannons!!
they are one tough pistol. the Vaquerro is more in line with the original colts, but it's much stronger. i don't know if i'd feed it what i fed the Blackhawk, but you can go above stock ammo, if needed.
(remember, stock 45 colt ammo is loaded to be safe in 1950's and earlier guns)
2manband
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Oh yeah...mine are great. I think the tensioned barrel and the front crane latch are both great ideas from an accuracy perspective
2manband
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Its a new model so theyre all post-lock. I have several keys if I need them, but on my list of things to worry about, self locking S&Ws are somewhere between asteroid strikes and muppet invasion.
I know they're not a typical safety, but my point is that a lot of internet gun opinions are based on political beliefs more than experience with the hardware in question. A lot of folks think S&W made a deal with the devil when they implemented the lock during the Clinton administration to preserve their government contracts. And so they hate the lock.
Ive actually used several guns with the lock, including about two thousand rounds in a lock equipped 44 mag, and have not had a single issue with it.
mongooz
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i remember when colt introduced the firing pin safety blockbar in their 1911's. holy sheep shit, batman.....did people howl and screem. turns out, it's not that bad an idea.
i don't know what the actual scientific frequency of lock failures are with the S&W's, but i've not really heard of it in the news or anything.
2manband
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Or the higher market value for unconverted 3-screw Ruger single actions, which are effectively limited to 5 shots.
I think S&W may have had some issues with early lock guns. Those bugs have since been worked out, but the stigma persists. Prolly due to percieved gun rights issues moreso than actual equipment failure.
Having said that, I do expect a gun costing $700 to work properly and if it doesnt, it would go back to the manufacturer for a warranty repair.
wagdog
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If you google "smith wesson lock failure" there are plenty of real examples.
If it doesn't bother you, that's cool. It's a nice gun and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. As I mentioned before, I'm not crazy about 44 mag, and I suspect in a gun that size it'll be a handful. I owned a 44 mag once (won it) and traded it off for a Colt 1911.
Both of my smith revolvers are pre-lock and if I bought a new one (thinking about a 442PC or 642), I'd get one w/o the lock.
If it doesn't bother you, that's cool. It's a nice gun and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. As I mentioned before, I'm not crazy about 44 mag, and I suspect in a gun that size it'll be a handful. I owned a 44 mag once (won it) and traded it off for a Colt 1911.
Both of my smith revolvers are pre-lock and if I bought a new one (thinking about a 442PC or 642), I'd get one w/o the lock.
2manband
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I would prefer a no-lock gun all other things being equal. But its not a deal breaker for me. If/when I have an issue with one I will either get it fixed or disable it myself. Then Ill prolly stop buying them.
But that hasnt happened yet, and maybe it never will.
Any mechanical device has some potential for failure and I feel that overall a modern S&W revolver is one of the most reliable options available, even if the lock does increase the failure rate from like .00001 to .000011
Different strokes for different folks tho.
FenderPusher
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one of my all time 'wish' pistols. i've shot a few (owned by friends) but never had the $$ to get one.
The Walking Dead ruined this gun for ordinary gun folk. Look at the average price before and after the show, since it's what Rick prominently carries and blows away scads of zombies with.
mongooz
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i've never seen the show, but i'm pretty sure what began the upward spiral of python prices is colt discontinuing them. they were very expensive and popular while they were still being made. when they were discontinued, prices began rising rapidly and then the python began to get into that '59 Les Paul mythical status.
Lerxst
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Haven't had a wheel gat since I sold off my Single Six. I've thought about picking up a 4" 686 or maybe one of the new pro series 627s.
Pythons are an interesting example. They've been spendy as all get out for years but really seemed to jump in the last 5 or so. Even at $2,800+ guys are tripping all over each other when they hit the used market locally.
Edit: I'm ambivalent on the topic of the internal S&W revolver locks. If I were using a firearm in some defensive capacity, I wouldn't do so before a few hundred trouble free range rounds assured me it's going to work as expected, every time....and many people seem to confirm that the locks are fine these days and most issues seemed to involve large calibers in lightweight frames, user error or custom work. But then again, I don't need one for that so it's not a deal breaker.
Pythons are an interesting example. They've been spendy as all get out for years but really seemed to jump in the last 5 or so. Even at $2,800+ guys are tripping all over each other when they hit the used market locally.
Edit: I'm ambivalent on the topic of the internal S&W revolver locks. If I were using a firearm in some defensive capacity, I wouldn't do so before a few hundred trouble free range rounds assured me it's going to work as expected, every time....and many people seem to confirm that the locks are fine these days and most issues seemed to involve large calibers in lightweight frames, user error or custom work. But then again, I don't need one for that so it's not a deal breaker.
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wagdog
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Years ago ('90, maybe '91?), I bought my 4" Smith 586 at the same time a buddy bought a python. I didn't know squat about guns back then, I just knew I wanted a .357 revolver and S&W was a good brand. My buddy told me "nice gun, but you should have bought one of these". Turns out he was right, value wise anyway. I do still have my 586, and still like it, so there's that. I do wish I had the original grips, which I lost years ago.
2manband
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You could always go get yerself a new Colt Cobra. They reintroduced them this year. I have no idea if they can hold a candle to the older Colt snake guns but Id like to find out.
DFB
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A Colt Anaconda is up there in price too.
Didn't Colt stop production of wheel guns a few years ago?
That could cause a price jump.