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Ho Ho Ho nitrocellulose enthusiasts. Santa will be leaving a 6" Ruger GP100 7-shot 327 federal revolver at the local FFL for me this holiday season. Cant wait to pick it up but shipping is understandably jammed these days.
Anybody else giving or getting new shooting stuff?
 
Ho Ho Ho nitrocellulose enthusiasts. Santa will be leaving a 6" Ruger GP100 7-shot 327 federal revolver at the local FFL for me this holiday season. Cant wait to pick it up but shipping is understandably jammed these days.
Anybody else giving or getting new shooting stuff?
I have never shot a .327, but have 2 GP100s.
Great revolvers. A .6",and a 4 " .357.
Enjoy.
 
I just ordered this. It should arrive at my house next week. A Swiss SIG Stgw90 GW-PAT90. The gun in the picture is the one I bought. It is a NOS military issue surplus, so anything that looks like wear is just packing grease.

It is a .223 piston driven gun that wasn't really ever sold in the USA, but a few "pirate" imported semi auto variants were released under the name SIG550-1 before the US banned importing them. This is a different gun than the version made by SIG Sauer (a German company) and sold as the 550/556/561 in the US, even if they externally look similar. Anyway, you can think of it as if an AK74/AR15 hybrid that was made by Swiss engineers and the craftsmen that assemble Rolexes. This is the official military rifle of the Swiss army. People here compete in the eidgenössische and shoot targets at 300M with the open sights. The accuracy of these things is astounding.

It looks gigantic in the pic, but it is the same size as an AR15-A2, and the stock folds, so it isn't really as big as it seems.

Yes, the selector switch has several modes. That is legal here in Switzerland with the right permit.

The Swiss 70's flecktarn camo backdrop isn't mine. It is from teh dealer who sent me the pic.

I have a couple of other things coming that are also cool, and I will post them when they arrive as I only have stock pictures right now. One of them would be a SBR in the USA, so it is cool to have it without any of the crazy US paperwork here in D'Schwiiz.

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Some other cool bits is that it has a winter trigger (the guard folds to the side) for shooting with gloves, a Hämmeli made match barrel, tritium night sights, and an integral bipod. It comes with the factory sling and bayonet as well.
 
@Tiltsta whats the purchase/ownership process like there in the land of Bytor and the snow dog?

Gun ownership is outlined as a right under Swiss law.

There are three layers of weapons one can purchase/obtain.

Layer 1 is called freiwaffen. If you are a permanent resident or Swiss citizen you can buy bolt action, break action and single shot long guns with no paperwork at all.

Layer 2 is called restricted. For these you need a Weapon Acquisition Permit (WES in German). This allows you to buy semi auto, pump action, lever action, or handguns. There are no barrel length regulations. This requires a permit that is shall issue from yout local state police office and a form from the federal government that you have no criminal records. The permits take about 10 days to get. A permit lets you buy three guns. You can get as many permits as you want and even have multiple active permits. This is also the permit required to buy ammo...or you can also use a criminal record extract form. You don’t need one every time you buy ammo, they are good to buy ammo with for a couple of years.

Layer 3 is for forbidden weapons. This includes silencers, laser sights, and full auto machine guns. You need an approval from the local state police that you can buy these things. Collecting or sports is an acceptable reason. In my state it requires a police interview about what you want and why. Then you get the form and can buy three items. It takes about 10 days to get it all done. It is nothing like the US, and most applications are approved. We have no import ban for full autos or age restrictions like in the US, so you can go to a local store and buy a brand new auto gun, like an HK MP5 or something like that. Unlike the US, full auto guns are actually slightly cheaper than semi autos, as they are just less popular due to the fact that some ranges do not allow them.

Some weirdness exist in the system like in the strange laws in the US. A butterfly knife is regulated the same level as a belt fed machine gun. A CO2 paintball gun is the same in the eyes of the law as a semi auto AR15. Hollow points are illegal for handguns, but legal for rifles, or carbines that fire pistol ammo, for civilians. For the police, the exact opposite rules are applied, so they only have pistol hollow points. Weird. There are no magazine size bans, barrel length bans, bayonet lug rules, grip rules, etc...a gun is a gun. There are no loopholes here (like fake shoulder stock arm braces, AR pistols, thumbhole stocks, partially finished lowers, parts kit/sear kits, etc), as there isn't much to get around. A gun is a gun and it is in one of the three groups of single shot, self loading/handgun, or automatic fire. You can buy ammo and guns online and have them sent through the mail to your house. You just mail a copy of your ID and WES permit and money and a gun store will mail you a gun. Anyway, we have lots of rules, some more restrictive than the US, some much less restrictive.

CCW permits are nearly impossible to obtain. No one really needs to carry a gun here anyway, as we have very little crime, and lots of police. You can get a permit if you are a retired cop/judge, if you need a gun for work, or are a clear target for crime/kidnapping, etc. It is rare to get one. Of course, prior to the late 1990's there was no law against carrying a concealed gun, so I've heard the police here are a little lenient on the enforcement of the law.
 
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Is one of the positions on your Swiss battle rifle for "neutral?" :grin:

I had no idea you could get full auto weapons in Switzerland.

It actually kind of does have a neutral switch. If you look the pic below, the selector has a small tab next to it that pivots to cover and block the auto positions (the tab is number 6 in the pic). When it does cover the auto stuff a white dot is uncovered (see the upper right corner pic). If you go to a public range and a range officer doesn't see that dot they will make you put your gun in that mode or leave. Full auto is only for special range days or private ranges. This was also designed into the system so it takes an additional step to really know that you want to shoot full auto...like in a war.

Full auto guns here are common. Every gun store has a wide selection of new automatic weapons. The Swiss don't really see them as exotic as everyone in the Swiss army keeps their gun (just like the one in my picture) at home. Autos here are much more common than in the US, even if overall gun ownership is lower that the states.
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Hard to go wrong with a 1911. I like the flat black all business looking finish.
 
that's NICE!!
have you seen the Auto Ordinance GI (WWII) 1911's? especially with the US wood grips.

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Love the US double-diamond grips. So much in fact that I already ordered a pair and installed them. Mine came from ebay...they were a springfield take-off
 
I like those aesthetically but I pref to run something with higher texture. I've got a set of LOK G-10 Bogies on my 1911 and they are plenty aggressive for excellent control but not so aggressive that it bothers your barehands after an extra long range session. I've owned VZs and LOK; they're comparable in quality but the LOKs cost less.
 
Just got my second cool Swiss gun in the mail today. I was waiting for a new batch to be made for the local domestic market (CH serial number, 2019 batch). I’ve been waiting since mid January for it to be finished. Anyway, my new 9 mm sub gun is here. A Brügger and Thomet GHM9 carbine. Features a trilug silencer cone and a threaded barrel. We get the real collapsable stock as there are no laws in Switzerland about short barreled rifles. It is really small. I think the barrel is only like 6.9 inches long. The mags are 3o round stick mags, and I have a box of a couple of 30+30 connected magazines as well. Should be a blast to shoot this thing.

Brügger and Thomet makes the PDW rifle for the Swiss army and a lot of police carbines here. They also make HK MP5's under contract for the Swiss army special forces and police. I'm not sure how large they are in the US, but here they are pretty popular. I know they changed the name of the company to B&T for the US market, but probably just because no one in the US can pronounce Brügger. lol.

Some crappy pics from my garage floor after opening the box. Top is with the stock unfolded, bottom is a the other side with the stock folded. I'll try to get some better pics soon.

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The last of my latest batch of guns arrived today. An Austrian Glock 17. Nothing fancy about this one, beyond a factory light trigger pull and night sights, but those are pretty normal options.

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