Danhedonia
Noted duckfat enthusiast
I think the ship sailed on Gruden a long, long time ago. Sometime in the not too distant future, he's getting bought out by Mark Davis.
National Football League 2018
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sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Well, RW pulled out some magic on the last drive. Seahawks are not going anywhere this year though. They might pull this game, but . . . No extension on the RW contract yet, and he is currently sitting around 10 in terms of contracts from what I could find. Not seeing how they will hold on to him, and fix the line. But I wish they could.
CBHScott
How did I get here?
The Raiders are reportedly cash-strapped, and would not have been able to come up with the escrow money for the guaranteed part of the contract. Rumor is Gruden was basically forced by Davis into dealing Mack to save the cash, and is taking the heat for the situation.
Maybe if Davis didn’t sign Gruden to that ridiculous contract...
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Meh. 52 looked really good. No O line, or one that basically just gets in your line of sight as they let everything through anyway, makes things hard.
Modern Saint
Starve your Fear, Feed your Dream!
LOL -
While a great player for one season of his 5 year career and if he can stay clean, it is very promising. The Pats will also get Edelman back after 2 more games. Rumors that the Pats would pick up Dez Bryant but like anything, that is all rumors.
Peen Simmons
Let’s Get Obtuse!
Yeah, the Bears went from probably a decent top 10 defense to a serious defensive threat. Chucky looks like a dumb S.O.B. with that trade. Heck, the Bears can be solid this season with that D and a competent and improving offense. They’ve got some serious bottomfeeding opponents this year, so they should win some games. Heck, they get to play the Lions twice.
shoeless
Riffin'
RW may not last the season the way his O line is playing. He took a beating last night.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Yes he did. The Seahawks are going to have to make some decisions. I don't want to go back to the days of an OK line, and just an OK Dave Krieg, Matt Hasselback kind of QB. But RW is coming up for contract extension and should be a top 10 contract if he wants. But trying to build the entire offense around his improv, when there is no protection, is not working. When it worked well, at least there was a good running game, and enough protection to get that, and some good play option plays going.
The D is doing ok, considering how many are out right now. It seems to me that the O line, and running game are the weakest areas.
Pretty interesting they were going to the aussie punter so much for even kickoffs (rather than Jankowski) last night.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
That O Line is pitiful. If I were the Seahawks, RW would be benched for his own safety until the line gets better.
Danhedonia
Noted duckfat enthusiast
Not a regular Seahawk watcher; my impression of Wilson is that he rises to occasions, but over time he is more 'exciting' than 'efficient.' In other words, he makes a big play but then will misread a coverage on the next play and there will be an incompletion.
Is this off? Who is better than him; worse?
Is this off? Who is better than him; worse?
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
First off, look at his numbers. https://komonews.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-russell-wilson-ranked-no-6-in-qb-rankings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Wilson
And from FieldGulls: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/7/2...tes-in-latest-espn-qb-rankings-piece-seahawks Note that in 2015, Wilson led the NFL in passer rating, threw 34 touchdowns, and rushed for 553 yards, while losing Jimmy Graham, Marshawn Lynch, Thomas Rawls, and Paul Richardson at different points of the season, with Patrick Lewis at center, Garry Gilliam at right tackle, and a defense that suffered through Cary Williams at corner for more than half the year.
So, I think your statements are not accurate or fair. Last night was the second pick 6 thrown of his entire career. Second, I think when things were on, this did not happen as much. Since the line has been as porous as it is, and since the running game went away, he is under constant fire, and occasionally will make those mistakes, then pull it together for an amazing drive. Last night had both. He definitely does better than "rises to occasions".
But then again, I am biased.
Danhedonia
Noted duckfat enthusiast
The "rise to occasion" was a compliment; he has certainly outplayed Tom Brady in most of their head to head matchups. I am simply wondering why a guy who has THAT level of skill ... doesn't seem to have it 100% of the time? In other words, as an increasingly casual NFL fan, I feel that I see the same Brady / P. Manning / Rodgers / etc. on most plays. Not a lot of variance in their performance. Is there with RW? When I've seen him be good, I wind up thinking "why aren't they 14-2 with him?"
shoeless
Riffin'
Agree with you about the running game. They haven't been the same since they let Marshawn go. A bit surprising since Pete Carroll has always been a "run first" type coach.
Letting the Aussie kick the onside was based more on stats I think. In 18 years in the league, Jankwoski has never had a successful onside kick in the 4th quarter.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Yeah, you have a point there. You can definitely tell when RW is not on. But as @shoeless says, that is more apparent as there is no running game now. And perhaps it is less apparent with a guy like Brady as Belicose and co have a good supporting cast and system around him. But I am a causal fan too, and interested primarily in my own team. So I may not have that story completely correct.
Danhedonia
Noted duckfat enthusiast
Brady's supporting casts have often been mediocre at best. You should read the list of WR's on some of the championship teams. I think Brady is a one-trick pony, and he does that trick at an otherworldly level: read the D and make the appropriate decision. He's unbelievable at it, and he is also incredibly accurate as a thrower.
I know Wilson has a good arm, good leadership, great wheels. What are his weaknesses?
I know Wilson has a good arm, good leadership, great wheels. What are his weaknesses?
VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
The bad OL deal is part and parcel of the RW experience. He absolutely need to escape pass rushers and break contain to be consistently effective. So having free rushers losing their lanes and getting juked is optimum for the Seahawks offense, even though it seems counter-intuitive. A modern version of Doug Flutie, if you will.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
I get the whole run around and make plays, but I don't think Michael Vick in his prime could have broken containment in that game. Maybe their OL is the same as it ever was and Chicago's pass rush is just that good.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
IMO, sometimes a slow start, and if getting pelted, sometimes a tendency to try to make something out of nothing and get caught for a loss, or force a throw that isn't there. Heck, I know the coaches made the call, but that throw at the end of the super bowl a couple years ago wasn't there and should have been thrown away. These things are exacerbated when the line is extra porous all game, and nothing is happening offensively.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
No, it is worse. This year, nothing has been happening all year. And in years past, he had some help. Now, 52 last night created problems that made it look the worst I have seen it , so there is that.