Danhedonia
Noted duckfat enthusiast
THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT VOID TERRA FIRMA, LET"S GET BACK TO FOOTBALL.
National Football League 2018
- Thread starter sunvalleylaw
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sunvalleylaw
Yep.
I like RW, Warren Moon, Jim Plunkett, Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham and Cam Newton better than guys like Peyton Manning, John Elway, Brady, Montana AND Young, etc. There. Discuss. Minds now back on football.
Who were we talking about before?
Who were we talking about before?
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Bob411
thrumming with potential
Saw your similar post on Facebook, wasn't sure how to sum up my thoughts, just scrolled on. I really enjoyed watching the Seahawks from a few years back. Watching Lynch running over people is fun. Watching Tom Brady, or any other great quarterback is not. When I think of RW, I think of 1) scrambling around and maybe rushing himself and 2) a deep bomb that might work, might not. It's fun to watch when the deep bomb works but, the important thing is that he does throw it. The threat of it working opens up the run game and the run game is what I want to see.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Yeah, I deleted the FB thing. My later night post had as much to do with personality style and look as style of play. I have always tended to like the scrappy QB's over the "sainted" ones in the pocket. Especially if they yell at their teammates a lot as a leadership style. Not saying that every person on my like list did not, or every person on my dis-like list did. (As I think about it, I don't think Peyton Manning seemed like that bad of a guy on field) But, generally. Guys that conduct themselves like Elway and Brady are not my favorites, no matter how undeniably good they were/are. I suppose part of this is from when I played, and found that I played better, and with more effort and loyalty/team spirit if the culture was to encourage each other rather than yell at each other. That old skool negative para-military Lombardi style of coaching and team culture, with the QB being the junior yeller at everyone does not work for me. I would rather flip the guy off and walk off the field. WRT RW and personality style, I respect how he talks to his teammates in the huddle, on the sidelines, and how he treats his community way more than a guy like Elway or Brady.
WRT RW, I think when he has at least some protection, AND a consistent running game threat, he can do his magic with more purpose, and less in desperation, and it is more intentional with less risk. When that is the case, he can put together amazing drives. But, after the last superbowl, that has not been the case. And now, it just looks like a guy running around trying to make something happen. Sometimes it works, but nothing to build a strong play-off or Super-bowl run on.
But my post was not just all about playing style as I said.
http://thesportdigest.com/archive/article/old-school-vs-new-school-coaching-styles An article on leadership/coaching traits.
Here is another good article on Lombardi style and the negative impact on youth sports in this country. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ken-reed/sports-coaches_b_4195220.html If you take time to read the article, take note of Pacific Lutheran coach Frosty Westering who was a PNW legend. My buddy played as a place kicker under both Don James (UW) and Frosty. James was a distant autocrat who did not give his players the time of day. Frosty was quite a bit different. Doesn't mean James had no success. He did as a Husky Football coach. But for his style, and the way he ditched and did not stay and take responsibility when UW got busted on some recruiting violations under his tenure, the respect I did have for him was forever tarnished.
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335clone
Living the dream
You are, of course, insane.
Moon, Cunningham, Newton over Montana?
Just NO.
Personal opinions aside, there is no comparison.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
I may be. And he is probably one that I like most off that list. That is probably just a Niner's thing for me.
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VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
He and Brady are assholes. Even if they have had success, they are still assholes.
VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
Stack the ivory high enough and everybody looks like an asshole.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Montana's ivory and Elway's were similar. I would say Montana's was higher. But he inspired his teammates, and didn't yell at them in the same manner as Elway and Brady. Even atop all that ivory, you can see the difference.
335clone
Living the dream
Talent wise, yes. That said, I cannot stand Elway.
VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
Are you saying Cam Newton isn’t an asshole, darlin’?*
*Full disclosure: I think quite highly of Cam Newton.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
I will take RW every day over all those guys (except maybe Montana, he seemed like an ok bloke). And given some better opportunity, perhaps guys like Warren Moon would have shone all the brighter.
335clone
Living the dream
Don't disagree. Brady comes closest to Montana in terms of his vision of what is happening on the field in real time, and the ability to process that info, change course and succeed while under pressure. Still an asshole though. I don't think anyone ever said that about Joe.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
He can be. I will admit. Maybe he is off my list. Though I do love his physical skills and playing style.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
Didn’t Warren Moon beat his wife?
VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
He’s an absolute stud and has a great rep for being charitable in the community. He’s pretty cocky tho. I suppose it comes with the territory.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Not to my knowledge. He is facing a sexual harassment lawsuit. So yeah, there is that. I was thinking more of his playing days. But that is disappointing.
https://www.seattlepi.com/local/sea...dmits-sharing-bed-with-assistant-12448377.php
He admitted the relationship, but denied the alleged harassment.
If the allegations are true, he is off my list. But, not sure in this case they are true.
EDIT: I read some more and found he was acquitted by a jury regarding allegations involving his wife, after she admitted bringing on the fight. @Chad
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