Charlottesville

As a foreigner looking in, its bizarre and a little bit frightening to see what can only be described as a well armed mob patrolling the streets.

Its unbelievable really.

Reminds me of the Ukraine a couple of years ago before it all kicked off
 
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I really try to stay out of such things and can't even go in the political thread, even if I'm looking for information about pickups.

But I think Mark touched on something very important. In the last part of his reply to the friend he mentions the thing that he does that does make a positive difference. I really think that is where we need to spend a lot more of our energy. Certainly we want to be clear that we disagree and don't tolerate any of this hateful behavior. It should all be denounced. But we should spend our energy trying to make a positive difference in whatever way we have available. I can say for certain, as Mark eludes to, that arguing over which wing (left, right or chicken) is worse is not going to change anyone's mind or make anything better.

I wish I had the answer but I believe that we all are responsible for our own little piece of existence anyway. Influence people positively. The alternative doesn't work. Hateful people are going to hate but maybe if the rest of us "normal" people don't buy into the media attempt to hype hate they don't act. Maybe we are feeding the fire. I mean look at how nasty we can be to someone just because they are registered with another political party or favor a particular sports team.

As I told my daughter every single day I dropped her off for school, do something nice for someone today.
 
"Screamin' about your rights as an American, while rockin' the Confederate flag, is like arguing against gay marriage with a dick in your mouth."

—Trae Crowder

Another time I am glad to work from home. Now I don't have to explain to co-workers why I am laughing so hard.
 
I wish I had the answer but I believe that we all are responsible for our own little piece of existence anyway. Influence people positively. The alternative doesn't work. Hateful people are going to hate but maybe if the rest of us "normal" people don't buy into the media attempt to hype hate they don't act. Maybe we are feeding the fire. I mean look at how nasty we can be to someone just because they are registered with another political party or favor a particular sports team.

As I told my daughter every single day I dropped her off for school, do something nice for someone today.

Right on. Let's share things we can do. I put a list up above. I have not done many of those things. We did have a meeting last night.

The lady in the chair here is Muffy Davis, Paralympian, with her husband Jeff, behind. This is a meeting of the Blaine County Indivisible group. It was held at Muffy and Jeff's last night, who happen to be our neighbors. It is a group of locals trying to make a real difference locally, statewide, and nationally. The topic for last night was inclusiveness for the disabled. There were discussions about what is the correct/politically correct/whatever term, and Muffy response is how about approach her as an individual. She says, "I'm Muffy." You can see that at this gathering, people pulled pieces of paper from a hat and were assigned disabilities for the night, and had to pretend they were in a chair, without sight, hearing impaired, etc. Some interesting revelations occurred from the exercise.

This led to a discussion of inclusiveness concerning race, etc. Admittedly, Blaine County is not super racially diverse, but it does have a growing hispanic community who have fears these days obviously. I learned that though I consider myself to be a pretty good person/citizen, I have blind spots that should be considered. Not politically correct things, but practical things that help to include all in our society.

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The group listening while having their assigned disabilities. My wife and I drew "able bodied" and felt a bit left out. It was interesting how we self selected to stand on the margins of the rest of the group, as it felt more comfortable. Seems like inclusiveness and understanding of one another takes effort sometimes.

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Muffy's gear. The bike on the left she won gold with. The small chair is for tennis, the other chair is a "running" chair for parasport running races. She also has a mountain bike. Jeff, her husband, has a masters in recreational therapy, and is a wizard/MacGyver at keeping her gear running. He works in the field as well with both local disabled and visiting vets receiving therapy to re-engage with life.


@Tig , here's some cool gear for ya. :wink: And a gold medal bike.
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I feel like a schmo when I compare myself to this group. My wife has been going, but I frankly have been burned out on the whole thing, and only attended last night because it was next door. I now feel inspired to do what I can.

So, let's share things we can do.

A couple of my thoughts,

Take care of one's self. From a combination of some personal family stuff and this whole political thing the last couple years, (and who knows, maybe some older stuff) I found myself depressed and anxious and not being my best self. I had to seek some help, which I did thankfully. Take care of yourself. I find this stuff stressful, and no one is good to anyone if they aren't taking care of themselves physically, mentally, spiritually if you are so inclined, etc.

Find a group and pitch in.

Just be nice or do nice as @Johnny N. says.

Speak up/Stand up for others.

As I said, I am no expert. Solidarity as a group here is what I am hoping for, and retrieving more ideas of how to be a positive force in our own realms of influence. Hopefully all of us here can agree on that much. Better than just bitching about it. IMO.
 
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You have some brilliant FB friends Mark. I know you need it for work, but I would set my account up as a "post only" account. Turn off notifications from all of the idiots.
I'm having a hard time with it. I've never really blocked anyone or I friended anyone for stuff like this because I want to hear and see all sides of the story. Apparently that's not a common sentiment these days.
 
I'm having a hard time with it. I've never really blocked anyone or I friended anyone for stuff like this because I want to hear and see all sides of the story. Apparently that's not a common sentiment these days.



I'm the same way. I almost have a couple of times but have been able to refrain for dropping someone for having a different view. And I have friends from the left, right, and chicken wings (I am going to continue to steal that line). I have started to dump people for just being a drama queen or king but I don't really get a lot of that.
 
I'm having a hard time with it. I've never really blocked anyone or I friended anyone for stuff like this because I want to hear and see all sides of the story. Apparently that's not a common sentiment these days.
You engage this way rarely. I guess keep it that way, but engage when you have to. And if someone is like that, move on. Not sure you need to turn off notifications. You said your piece, influenced or reinforced those you could, and then let go of the rest of it.
 
I'm having a hard time with it. I've never really blocked anyone or I friended anyone for stuff like this because I want to hear and see all sides of the story. Apparently that's not a common sentiment these days.

I guess I only like to hear the other side when there is an actual other side that is rational and intelligent. Trying to say anyone but the guys protesting with guns, shields and weapons are to blame is not rational or intelligent. I used to not block folks there, but once I started, it got a little better there. And to be clear, I didn't block folks with different political views, I started blocking friends who were stay at home moms bitching about how life was so hard. They had to be home to let in the house cleaner and that was interfering with them getting to the country club in time for lunch time cocktails. Then after the election, seeing people I was great friends with in high school and college just start spouting off racist and stupid bullshit, I just killed my account. I'd rather remember the good times I had with those people than see the horrible people they have grown into. But I don't need that shit for my income like you do. If I did, I would have to block those folks so I wouldn't blow the fuck up on them.
 
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