OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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jp_nyc said:
If Bernie wins the popular vote he and his supporters will be in a good position to threaten a third-party run if the superdelegates vote against him. That could make things interesting.
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i'm afraid that if bernie makes a third party run.....he will be handing the election to trump.
 
jp_nyc said:
If Bernie wins the popular vote he and his supporters will be in a good position to threaten a third-party run if the superdelegates vote against him. That could make things interesting.
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Sanders running as independent would absolutely put Trump in the WHite House.

Besides, I think the time has passed (or is very close) where Sanders would have needed to gotten himself on the ballot as an independent.
 
rhino said:
The difference is Obama was selling "Hope and Change," also known as business as usual for Wall Street so the Super Delegates with switching to him to appease the people. Bernie actually has policy in mind that would be good for the people but bad for Wall Street. The Super Delegates are bought and paid for by Wall Street. They won't switch this time.

I don't even know that Bernie would be able to change anything with Congress already bought and paid for, but I do think having him in office would raise awareness of the actual issues that are pressing to this country, instead of having people argue about who fucks who, what bathrooms they use, and abortion... still. That's why I think he is still in the race.
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I still believe they might be forced to switch. Doesn't mean they will. Doesn't make it easy. But throwing in the towel because it's easy is why we got into this like this in the first place.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
I'm voting for a third party candidate. Neither major party frontrunner interests me. I've been told by Clinton supporters that I'm now supporting Trump, and by Trump supporters that I'm now supporting Clinton. I'm very interested to see who wins, but at this point, I don't think either party can claim independent or Sanders votes for them. That said, I do think Clinton wins because women skew towards her and away from Trump.
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I voted for Ralph Nader in virtually every election since 1992...it's my way of voting for "none if the above"... I intend to vote that way for the foreseeable future..m
 
rhino said:
The difference is Obama was selling "Hope and Change," also known as business as usual for Wall Street so the Super Delegates with switching to him to appease the people. Bernie actually has policy in mind that would be good for the people but bad for Wall Street. The Super Delegates are bought and paid for by Wall Street. They won't switch this time.

I don't even know that Bernie would be able to change anything with Congress already bought and paid for, but I do think having him in office would raise awareness of the actual issues that are pressing to this country, instead of having people argue about who fucks who, what bathrooms they use, and abortion... still. That's why I think he is still in the race.
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I may be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure Clinton dropped out of the 2008 race before superdelegates became an issue. It was pretty clear that Obama was going to have a large majority of the popular vote in the end, so Clinton dropped out (probably after making a deal for her secretary of state appointment).
 
GomezAddams said:
I may be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure Clinton dropped out of the 2008 race before superdelegates became an issue. It was pretty clear that Obama was going to have a large majority of the popular vote in the end, so Clinton dropped out (probably after making a deal for her secretary of state appointment).
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You're misremembering. Obama was ahead and the superdelagates clinched it; a full day after the national media and Obama himself announced he won, Clinton finally conceded.
 
jelloman said:
I voted for Ralph Nader in virtually every election since 1992...it's my way of voting for "none if the above"... I intend to vote that way for the foreseeable future..m
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Kerouac said:
You're misremembering. Obama was ahead and the superdelagates clinched it; a full day after the national media and Obama himself announced he won, Clinton finally conceded.
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I think you are proving my memory correct. Obama gained the lead, and it was obvious he had more of the popular vote, and his lead was likely to grow. She dropped out. Superdelegates did not play into the equation. Yes, the superdelegates did switch their support to Obama, but only after the popular vote switched.
 
Chad said:
Sanders will not run as a third party. No way. He has said on her worst day, Hilary is far better than any republican candidate. I think he will be fine letting her run if she gets the nomination. I bet he will campaign for her too.
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yes....i remember him saying that on tv.....right around the time that he corrected himself about her not being qualified, he said he was more comfortable with hillary being president than the others.
 
jelloman said:
I voted for Ralph Nader in virtually every election since 1992...it's my way of voting for "none if the above"... I intend to vote that way for the foreseeable future..m
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I couldn't vote yet in 92, but I've voted 3rd party every time. It's my way of voting against the 2 party system.
 
GomezAddams said:
I think you are proving my memory correct. Obama gained the lead, and it was obvious he had more of the popular vote, and his lead was likely to grow. She dropped out. Superdelegates did not play into the equation. Yes, the superdelegates did switch their support to Obama, but only after the popular vote switched.
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You're actually correct. Sorry for the contradiction; it looks like Obama had the superdelagates throw their full support behind him at the beginning of June.

That still doesn't mean Sanders is out this time though.
 
Kerouac said:
You're actually correct. Sorry for the contradiction; it looks like Obama had the superdelagates throw their full support behind him at the beginning of June.

That still doesn't mean Sanders is out this time though.
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I'm very interested in how he's going to make up the 300 pledged delegate deficit. But if he can miraculously do that, the Superdelegates will indeed get behind him. The news networks will do everything they can to prevent that from happening though.
 
GomezAddams said:
Sanders running as independent would absolutely put Trump in the WHite House.
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That’s why it’s a powerful threat. If Sanders can somehow win California and immediately begin preparations for an independent run it will scare the shit out of the DNC leadership. I can’t find a calendar of ballot cutoff dates for the general election, just an article stating that the earliest cutoff date is May 9 for Texas. So maybe it’s possible, maybe not.
 
Flamencology said:
There are only two ways of accomplishing that goal.

1) lobby for instant-runoff voting.

2) decimate the GOP.
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2 is in the process. I would take 4 years of Trump if he could make 1 happen. It would take somebody that crazy to push for it from the presidency. Sadly, I think if anybody in the executive office tried to do that, they would be stopped by congress or killed, maybe both. There's way too much money at stake.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
I'm very interested in how he's going to make up the 300 pledged delegate deficit. But if he can miraculously do that, the Superdelegates will indeed get behind him. The news networks will do everything they can to prevent that from happening though.
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He just has to keep it close, and it's really not that miraculous. As long as he can stay within 10 points of Clinton in every contest, he has a strong enough case to push for a contested convention, which he has said he can do. Clinton would have to win 75% of the remaining delegates to win without adding the super delegates to the table. All Sanders has to do is keep it close and not let up on the message.
 
Kerouac said:
He just has to keep it close, and it's really not that miraculous. As long as he can stay within 10 points of Clinton in every contest, he has a strong enough case to push for a contested convention, which he has said he can do. Clinton would have to win 75% of the remaining delegates to win without adding the super delegates to the table. All Sanders has to do is keep it close and not let up on the message.
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Clinton won't quite get there this month, but she'll start calling for him to bail on June 7. She'll do it if the superdelegates are the only reason she gets there, or if she has the popular vote too. I'll be shocked if he doesn't comply.
 
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