OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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I'd like to hope that Devos, perhaps the most unqualified cabinet nomination put forward in my memory, isn't a bellwether of how little resistance the Dems will be able to offer & how in-line the Repubs will be going forward...but, I'm honestly disappointed and think we've got to brace ourselves for more to come. School choice/vouchers/AKA defunding public schools to subsidize charter & private schools is something many Repubs have a hard-on for but WTF? Toomey's offices were subject to an avalanche of contact from PA residents opposed to this nomination and yet he still voted for her.

If your congress member is on this list and you do not support their vote, be sure to make your voice heard:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/07/us/politics/betsy-devos-confirmation-vote.html
 
have you forgotten that pence is the guy who came up with the whole 'religious liberty' law? you know, so the christians can continue to discrimate against those they don't like. nearly cost him the govenorship. but hey......what's a little institutional hate among friends.:mad:

Oh.... I didn't forget. I loathe every molecule of his being.
 
Sec of Ed is a young position, but this is unarguably the least qualified person to be nominated, let alone confirmed.

The bullshit spin will be in full effect, but there is no justification for supporting this pick that any Republican can make. Even if they admit they are afraid of the wraith of Trump, it doesn't justify it. Spineless limit men and women are the GOP Senators. They are complicit in what could potentially be the ruination of our public education system. The GOP lie of its corruption, over payment of its teachers, bad spending, etc. is so transparent. The facts via many studies and investigative pieces have born out that charter schools have a higher rate corruption, taking advantage of less oversight and manipulating their numbers while pockets at least tens of millions of dollars from the government for failing schools. That said, they are not all failures, as many are good organizations that are serving their communities well.

Privatizing education won't make the U.S. smarter, it will just allow greater manipulation of the numbers so asshats like Trump and all little GOP bitches in Congress can claim that enrollment numbers and test scores are up. The electoral college fucked up their job and the GOP Senators are following suit. Pathetic.

I can't speak for all charter schools, but I can speak for one I worked at in DC. It was a technology driven school. They bought an expensive online curriculum to be delivered by the teachers computer via the internet. One problem, no teacher computers no internet connection. I was there to teach 2 classes. An A+ certification class and a Visual Basic class. For about 30 students, we had 10 Apple computers which looked to be 5 to 10 years old. BTW, did I mention Visual Basic is a programming language that only works on Windows. We had no computers in the A+ classroom, which is a class on how to fix computers, so even broken ones would have worked so I could have at least shown them the components and how they went together. But the people who ran the school sure had nice clothes and drove nice cars.
 
Oh.... I didn't forget. I loathe every molecule of his being.

it would be comical if it weren't actually reality, but it's funny how the hard right christians (christo-fascists) act in ways and do things that would have jesus spinning on the cross. it would be wonderful to be able to pull the curtain aside for the world to REALLY see them for who they are.
 
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Friend of mine has been making up all these quote pics for both sides of the aisle and just posted this one. :grin:
 
I can't speak for all charter schools, but I can speak for one I worked at in DC. It was a technology driven school. They bought an expensive online curriculum to be delivered by the teachers computer via the internet. One problem, no teacher computers no internet connection. I was there to teach 2 classes. An A+ certification class and a Visual Basic class. For about 30 students, we had 10 Apple computers which looked to be 5 to 10 years old. BTW, did I mention Visual Basic is a programming language that only works on Windows. We had no computers in the A+ classroom, which is a class on how to fix computers, so even broken ones would have worked so I could have at least shown them the components and how they went together. But the people who ran the school sure had nice clothes and drove nice cars.

Yeah, I'm trying to be nice. Charter schools are not panning well overall. I believe a slim majority or showing why privatizing education is a bad idea. Most of the rest are "okay", with too few being well run "successful" organizations. And I guess that's part of it...we all know what Trump's perception of success is. I just hope my wife keeps her job and isn't subjected to pay cuts...after Fairfax County Public Schools had the teachers on a near decade salary freeze with one recent boost to get everyone where they should have been about five years ago.

Paying teachers less...that's a brilliant idea. I will fully acknowledge that many of the high level administrators are paid insane amounts of money, but classroom teachers...the vast majority are grossly underpaid. Especially in states like VA, where there is no tenure or bullshit certifications that get you bumps. In VA you want a bump...get a masters (not easy work). Want another bump, get near another masters in credits or a PhD. Want another bump...that masters needed to be in educational administration and you've got to land a position as an assistant/vice-principal and hope to become a principal for any further pay increases. It may sound fine, but folks like my wife have NO interest in supervising teachers. Believe it or not, most teachers want to...































...get ready...




































...brace yourselves...




























...this is a tough pill to swallow...
























...it may sound like an alternate fact...
































...but it's the truth...































...the want to fucking teach!

It's never easy. It's not fucking day care. They are fighting against families and communities that do no value or support their efforts. Deluded people that believe they are overpaid and underworked, provided everything they need, get the summers off, and all the other bullshit. Again, most of these folks have a passion for education, especially that of young people. They want to help lay the foundations for these children to accomplish anything and everything they want.

Devos and the overwhelmingly large majority of elected GOP officials in the legislative and executive branches of all sizes of government in our country have not a fucking clue what it takes to teach. How hard it is, the hours, the lack of respect (including compensation), the amount of time and money when they are "off the clock" spent on teaching. Yeah, they'll vent about it, but they wake up before you and your kids and are still working well after to make sure they do their best for those kids. And summers off, most of them are fighting for summer school positions to help get through the summer OR working other jobs (either during the year, but especially) for the summer to get by. Most of them have kids too, that are going to their schools or other public schools. And older kids that they're sending to college.

But maybe that won't matter soon. Did I mention that this is pathetic? All the Dems voted against her and all but two (four at the most, if the independents voted for her) voted for someone that came off like a in idiot in general, but someone that is clearly clueless about education. Way to go!

I'll stop now and go back to avoiding this awesome thread. Sanity calls.
 
I'd like to hope that Devos, perhaps the most unqualified cabinet nomination put forward in my memory, isn't a bellwether of how little resistance the Dems will be able to offer & how in-line the Repubs will be going forward...but, I'm honestly disappointed and think we've got to brace ourselves for more to come. School choice/vouchers/AKA defunding public schools to subsidize charter & private schools is something many Repubs have a hard-on for but WTF? Toomey's offices were subject to an avalanche of contact from PA residents opposed to this nomination and yet he still voted for her.

If your congress member is on this list and you do not support their vote, be sure to make your voice heard:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/07/us/politics/betsy-devos-confirmation-vote.html

ohio's senators voted right down party lines. rob portman voted for her, and i have experience with emailing him on issues. waste of my f'ing time.
 
Yeah, I'm trying to be nice. Charter schools are not panning well overall. I believe a slim majority or showing why privatizing education is a bad idea. Most of the rest are "okay", with too few being well run "successful" organizations. And I guess that's part of it...we all know what Trump's perception of success is. I just hope my wife keeps her job and isn't subjected to pay cuts...after Fairfax County Public Schools had the teachers on a near decade salary freeze with one recent boost to get everyone where they should have been about five years ago.

Paying teachers less...that's a brilliant idea. I will fully acknowledge that many of the high level administrators are paid insane amounts of money, but classroom teachers...the vast majority are grossly underpaid. Especially in states like VA, where there is no tenure or bullshit certifications that get you bumps. In VA you want a bump...get a masters (not easy work). Want another bump, get near another masters in credits or a PhD. Want another bump...that masters needed to be in educational administration and you've got to land a position as an assistant/vice-principal and hope to become a principal for any further pay increases. It may sound fine, but folks like my wife have NO interest in supervising teachers. Believe it or not, most teachers want to...































...get ready...




































...brace yourselves...




























...this is a tough pill to swallow...
























...it may sound like an alternate fact...
































...but it's the truth...































...the want to fucking teach!

It's never easy. It's not fucking day care. They are fighting against families and communities that do no value or support their efforts. Deluded people that believe they are overpaid and underworked, provided everything they need, get the summers off, and all the other bullshit. Again, most of these folks have a passion for education, especially that of young people. They want to help lay the foundations for these children to accomplish anything and everything they want.

Devos and the overwhelmingly large majority of elected GOP officials in the legislative and executive branches of all sizes of government in our country have not a fucking clue what it takes to teach. How hard it is, the hours, the lack of respect (including compensation), the amount of time and money when they are "off the clock" spent on teaching. Yeah, they'll vent about it, but they wake up before you and your kids and are still working well after to make sure they do their best for those kids. And summers off, most of them are fighting for summer school positions to help get through the summer OR working other jobs (either during the year, but especially) for the summer to get by. Most of them have kids too, that are going to their schools or other public schools. And older kids that they're sending to college.

But maybe that won't matter soon. Did I mention that this is pathetic? All the Dems voted against her and all but two (four at the most, if the independents voted for her) voted for someone that came off like a in idiot in general, but someone that is clearly clueless about education. Way to go!

I'll stop now and go back to avoiding this awesome thread. Sanity calls.

Your wife teaches in Fairfax? My dad was a teacher/athletic director/principal in Farifax for over 30 years. My wife also works with Fairfax. For the masters program, where she is a professor, the students intern in Fairfax County and my wife runs that program. She also taught at Mt Vernon High School for 5 years.
 
I've found emailing, in general, gets you nothing more than a form email or letter in response. Calling or even asking for an appointment to speak to them on the phone is generally more effective. If you don't have their local number:
http://civilrights.org/action_center/resources/calling-congress.html
i hear what you are saying, but portman is a party line man. he WILL NOT deviate in any way. again, waste of my time. he'll take the call, and say all kinds of nice things....and then go vote against you. nothing i or anyone else says that is not party line is going to get heard. been that way for a while here in stupid land (the midwest).
 
i hear what you are saying, but portman is a party line man. he WILL NOT deviate in any way. again, waste of my time. he'll take the call, and say all kinds of nice things....and then go vote against you. nothing i or anyone else says that is not party line is going to get heard. been that way for a while here in stupid land (the midwest).

The only thing these guys fear is not getting re-elected. Everyone in their district that reaches out and tells them how they do not represent their interests & will not get a vote next time can make a difference. At the least, their staff track this from calls and update them with the results.
 
I think that Devos getting this job is what has made me angriest of anything. This shows a complete lack of concern for the welfare of our country by the Republican Party far beyond anything else they have done including their rampant anti science bent. I am so angry right now.


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My wife is also a teacher.... she loves to teach and has zero desire to move "upward" into administration strictly for the money. She also accepts student teachers and mentors even when there is little or no monetary reward because she wants to see more GOOD teachers in the profession.

She also accepts having ESL (English is their Second Language) students and other students with emotional or learning problems even though they will bring down the averages of the test scores in the room... because those are the kids who NEED the most help. When funding of the schools is awarded by test scores, it is completely BACKWARDS because there is a direct correlation to success and money in the schools. The wealthier districts have parents who spend time with their kids or are able to enrich their lives with trips, tutors, books, and other things that kids in poorer districts don't have access to... or their parents can't afford because they're working multiple or low paying jobs that they don't want their kids stuck in.

If people like Betsy DeVos really wanted to help kids.... the 20 million or so that she gave to different republican elections could have gone straight to the public schools of Michigan... could you imagine what that could have done? how many books, ipads, or even MEALS that could have provided for? It's sad how deep these people's ignorance and hate runs.
 
I don't know why anyone is surprised by the confirmation of DeVos. Do you think the rich (and by extension, the Republican party) actually want an educated populace? Fuck no!
So let's get on with the charter schools and vouchers so that the remaining public schools can just get shittier and shittier. Then the middle class, working class, and poor will have even less knowledge and even fewer critical thinking skills than ever. Then they can keep voting for the Republicans, who will keep promoting policies that benefit the rich.
It's perfect.
 
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