OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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Chad said:
I agree Bernie needs to push single payer but sometimes politics gets in the way. As much as I want it (you should see my family medical bills even with insurance) if it could cost the Dems control in the midterms, I hope he doesn't push it until after the midterms. Health care will be the least of our concerns if Trump has no resistance for 4 years.
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Yah, ok, I can see your point. But long term appeasement of our own band of nazis seems to be going as well as it did the first time around. The center mark has moved so far it is hard to find any more. We need a counterweight at some point. But, perhaps, give enough rope for a bit and something will happen. Not so sure that it will though. Gonna have to fight back at some point.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Yah, ok, I can see your point. But long term appeasement of our own band of nazis seems to be going as well as it did the first time around. The center mark has moved so far it is hard to find any more. We need a counterweight at some point. But, perhaps, give enough rope for a bit and something will happen. Not so sure that it will though. Gonna have to fight back at some point.
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i do not prescribe to the school of "give them enough rope" in this instance. it has become more of a "give them an inch and they have taken a mile". and they will keep taking it, until we are in a full on civil war. the fucking buck has to stop somewhere. and here is where it needs to stop, before we repeat history, again.
this level of hate and intolerance is not going to lead to any kind of world peace. it will lead to a world war. many nations are already expressing anger and distrust of us BECAUSE of the shit this admin. is saying and doing. it has to stop. (don't ask me how....you WILL NOT like my answer).
but folks HAVE to step up. but they won't until it's affecting their wallet or job. and that will be TOO damn late.
again....don't ask me what we should do....you WON'T like the answer.
 
mongooz said:
i do not prescribe to the school of "give them enough rope" in this instance. it has become more of a "give them an inch and they have taken a mile". and they will keep taking it, until we are in a full on civil war. the fucking buck has to stop somewhere. and here is where it needs to stop, before we repeat history, again.
this level of hate and intolerance is not going to lead to any kind of world peace. it will lead to a world war. many nations are already expressing anger and distrust of us BECAUSE of the shit this admin. is saying and doing. it has to stop. (don't ask me how....you WILL NOT like my answer).
but folks HAVE to step up. but they won't until it's affecting their wallet or job. and that will be TOO damn late.
again....don't ask me what we should do....you WON'T like the answer.
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Humor seems inappropriate. But then again, it is necessary. Don't take me wrong but when you said that, it reminded me of this. "Smead, don't try to stop me!, Smead, . . . don't you dare try to stop me!"


Serious business, I know. But a sense of humor is still a good thing.
 
also.....i was just thinking about some things i have read about in the last 6 months or so. this pope is NOT a trump supporter. in fact this pope is not happy with many of the crap the dumpster has said and done. my personal belief is that the pope IS giving enough rope for dumpster to say/do something offensive enough to the catholic doctrine that the pope will have enough reason to issue a papal edict. how many catholics are there on the planet? they do NOT follow GOP doctrine. they follow CATHOCLIC doctrine. dumpster could suddenly have millions of catholics against him, in a heart beat.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Humor seems inappropriate. But then again, it is necessary. Don't take me wrong but when you said that, it reminded me of this. "Smead, don't try to stop me!, Smead, . . . don't you dare try to stop me!"


Serious business, I know. But a sense of humor is still a good thing.
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when i said......what? (great movie btw. seen it a dozen times.)
 
mongooz said:
yea....i think that somewhere in the 80's there was a paradigm shift in the christian world. not everyone....but there was a marked movement to the far (and even further) right. radical conservative (evangelical) christian movement. Falwell, james baker (and tammy faye)....and the like. and the movement has done nothing but become more radical and just crazy (westboro). unfortunately, the GOP has been cowtowing to those people ever since. Teddy Roosevelt was a republican, that by today's politics would seem like a liberal. (setting aside lands for protection, the kids clean milk program, battling monopoly corporations, etc.) the times they have a changed.
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There was a documentary film on this subject in the 90s. It was about Reagan's campaign advisors who orchestrated that entire shift (they weren't Christians but it was propaganda aimed at Christians). They felt the fundamentalist Christians had enough "similar" values that the Reagan campaign could just twist them enough to make those conservative values to appear to be Christian values. Remember evangelical Christians were excited when Jimmy Carter, a Christian, was first nominated. They fell out with him eventually and Reagan swooped in and covertly hijacked the Christian agenda.

Also before the Reagan era, evangelical churches (slightly different than fundamentalists like Falwell, Baker, Robertson) were not political and did consider government (US or otherwise) as an earthly, carnal (sinful) institution and opposed to God's interests. Then a bunch of Christian pseudo-historians started rewriting American history claiming that all of the founding fathers were born again Christians and that the United States was founded on Christian principles and therefore a Christian nation (funny idea with characters like Jefferson and Franklin and their mistresses and the widely accepted belief of deism). That was a pretty sharp turn for American theology. After all the earliest model for separation of church and state was Jesus' edict to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

The other big change for Christians in the eighties was the adoption of the idea that abortion is always murder. Religious author Francis Schaeffer wrote some books on this and made this single issue a litmus test for whether you were a Christian or not. Meanwhile more realistic evangelical leaders like Stan Mooneyham, president of World Vision, was on record talking about the need for birth control and availability of abortion in third-world (term at the time) countries.

So while all of this seems to be the unified belief of Christian churches in America today, I'm agreeing that before the eighties there was a lot of room for differences in the religion. And the shift wasn't prompted by the church or religious people. They were just the unwitting objects of clever propaganda.
 
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mongooz said:
the day is just getting started. i'd bet everything i have on the answer, no, he WILL (or his mouth pieces) do or say something stupid. remember, they're still battling the muslim ban in the courts.

edit: wait until later today when this gets started in court.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-gets-weaponized-in-court-against-travel-ban/
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That could be the most awesome thing ever. States using shit said at campaign speeches in court against people. Now maybe these asshats will watch what they say on the trail.
 
Chad said:
That could be the most awesome thing ever. States using shit said at campaign speeches in court against people. Now maybe these asshats will watch what they say on the trail.
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"And there are numerous other issues in the case, including the government’s argument that the states do not have standing to sue. If the appeals court and the Supreme Court agree, this particular case could come to an abrupt halt without a decision on whether Trump’s order violates anyone’s rights under the Constitution."

This is my question right here. If a state doesn't have the standing to sue, then this particular case starts back at square one. But if it's ruled that a state does have the standing to sue, it could have negative unintended consequences.

There's precedent further down in the article, but it's also WaPo, and they obviously have a side.
 
LeftyTom said:
Was today the first day Trump didn't do or say something stupid as President?
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