OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

[mongooz]

I know guns laws differ from state to state, but @VoidTerraFirma and I both live in VA. Here in VA, it is easier to buy a gun than a car. I think maybe we could start there.

there are many different gun laws in different states. i used to live in michigan. if you want to buy a handgun in mich. you have to apply for a permit to purchase at the county sheriff's office, then when you get the gun, return to the sheriff's office with it, and they inspect it, take down the serial number and description of the gun, all of which goes in YOUR file at the sheriff's department and finally get finger printed, which also goes in YOUR file, and i'm sure is shared with the FBI and the ATF. and they can deny you for numerous reasons.

i don't know about the rest of you, but those are some pretty strict gun laws there.

if you're a criminal, the last thing you are going to do is go to the sheriff's office and get finger printed and background checked.

 

[Lerxst]

I know guns laws differ from state to state, but @VoidTerraFirma and I both live in VA. Here in VA, it is easier to buy a gun than a car. I think maybe we could start there.

It might be faster than buying a car but there are many more disqualifications to purchasing a firearm in VA then there are to purchasing a car. In most states to qualify for purchasing a car, you only have to be of legal age/sound mind to enter into the sales contract & have the ability to pay; you don't even need a drivers license or insurance to buy a car (course you can't drive it off the lot after you buy it). Just sayin

 

[PunkKitty]

 

[VoidTerraFirma]

You really shouldn't have done that @Chad

 

[nuke_diver]

While I agree, we have to consider the long standing American love of guns and violence culture that is not part of so many other nations, such as those in Northern Europe, for example. The glamour of the Wild West lives on today. The United States was born of war and has been a warring nation ever since. From this background, it will take a long time of rapid cultural maturing before most gun laws curb violence. In other words, we have to grow up first.

Just to be clear, I'm not bashing our history, nor our country. I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-stupidity behind the gun.

Pretty good assessment. I agree with this guy, especially the first minutes.

 

[smurfco]

Not guns again!

 

[Chad]

It might be faster than buying a car but there are many more disqualifications to purchasing a firearm in VA then there are to purchasing a car. In most states to qualify for purchasing a car, you only have to be of legal age/sound mind to enter into the sales contract & have the ability to pay; you don't even need a drivers license or insurance to buy a car (course you can't drive it off the lot after you buy it). Just sayin

Unless you go to any of the gun shows in VA. They have "the world's largest gun show" about a mile from my house about every other month. As long as the seller isn't a registered gun dealer, they don't even need to check an ID. How do I know that? I know a convicted felon who purchased 2 hand guns from that show. Not just any felony, armed robbery. When I bought a car from my dad, I had to go get a form notarized in order to complete the sale.

 

[Chad]

there are many different gun laws in different states. i used to live in michigan. if you want to buy a handgun in mich. you have to apply for a permit to purchase at the county sheriff's office, then when you get the gun, return to the sheriff's office with it, and they inspect it, take down the serial number and description of the gun, all of which goes in YOUR file at the sheriff's department and finally get finger printed, which also goes in YOUR file, and i'm sure is shared with the FBI and the ATF. and they can deny you for numerous reasons.

i don't know about the rest of you, but those are some pretty strict gun laws there.

if you're a criminal, the last thing you are going to do is go to the sheriff's office and get finger printed and background checked.

And that is how it should be. I'm curious if that applies to private sales as well, or private sellers at gun shows.

 

[Mark Wein]

When you're so funny in real life that South Park can't actually satirize you.http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...rey-parker-and-matt-stone/8236338?pfmredir=sm


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[Kerouac]

The political part is what sucks. I would be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of registered Republican or otherwise conservative voters don't have an issue with gay marriage or abortion but the Republican party holds the line on those.

You would be very, very wrong. While the less religious conservatives might give the gays and abortion a pass, the bulk of the modern Republican is filled with evangelicals that believe both are an abomination.

 

[Lerxst]

Unless you go to any of the gun shows in VA. They have "the world's largest gun show" about a mile from my house about every other month. As long as the seller isn't a registered gun dealer, they don't even need to check an ID. How do I know that? I know a convicted felon who purchased 2 hand guns from that show. Not just any felony, armed robbery. When I bought a car from my dad, I had to go get a form notarized in order to complete the sale.

True, private sale in the sate of VA does't require a background check. I agree that all transfers should go through a background check process.

The same disqualifiers do still apply and your convicted felon has committed another felony with the purchases and the person who sold it to him, if done knowingly, has also committed a felony. I hope someone has turned your convicted felon in for the purchase and he has prosecuted accordingly. Has he?

 

[Tig]

Unless you go to any of the gun shows in VA. They have "the world's largest gun show" about a mile from my house about every other month. As long as the seller isn't a registered gun dealer, they don't even need to check an ID. How do I know that? I know a convicted felon who purchased 2 hand guns from that show. Not just any felony, armed robbery. When I bought a car from my dad, I had to go get a form notarized in order to complete the sale.

I'm surprised Texas hasn't approved drive thru gun shops. We already have drive thru liquor stores.



Fuck...
Double Shot Liquor and Guns
Schulenburg, TX

 

[VoidTerraFirma]

Not guns again!

I DEMAND THAT YOU DEFEND YOUR POSITION.

 

[mongooz]

And that is how it should be. I'm curious if that applies to private sales as well, or private sellers at gun shows.

it's suppose to. yea, i'm sure someone can buy a handgun from a private owner, but.....if you get caught with it, or used it and the cops are brought in, you loose the gun and you go to jail. so you takes yer chances.

 

[Chad]

True, private sale in the sate of VA does't require a background check. I agree that all transfers should go through a background check process.

The same disqualifiers do still apply and your convicted felon has committed another felony with the purchases and the person who sold it to him, if done knowingly, has also committed a felony. I hope someone has turned your convicted felon in for the purchase and he has prosecuted accordingly. Has he?

No, but the guns haven been taken and he went through rehab and has been clean for 4 years now.

 

[Lerxst]

No, but the guns haven been taken and he went through rehab and has been clean for 4 years now.

That's good. Something everyone who knows him should remember is that he will always be a prohibited person, no matter how long he stays on the straight and narrow, due to the felony conviction unless he gets a full pardon (in many states).

From my POV, and this is one not shared by many shooting sports enthusiasts, the need to keep firearms out of the hands of prohibited persons outweighs the burden placed on the individual selling their property w/r/t a BC. Oregon requires a BC on all transfers, retail or private & PA requires all except private long guns sales (except direct family transfers to non-prohibited persons). Most people I know in PA require buyers to prove eligibility for long gun transfers by requiring the buyer to possess a valid LTCF, which is revoked by the sheriff when someone who holds one becomes a prohibited person. Something that would facilitate BCs for more private transfers is if states provided a simple & cheap method to do them.

 

[Mark Wein]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ring-a-white-man_us_58936c19e4b06f344e406b78?

 

[PunkKitty]

You would be very, very wrong. While the less religious conservatives might give the gays and abortion a pass, the bulk of the modern Republican is filled with evangelicals that believe both are an abomination.

That's okay. I think religious conservatives are an abomination.

 

[GilmourD]

Arnold can't be President.

They amended the Constitution for him in Demolition Man.

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[GomezAddams]

Unless you go to any of the gun shows in VA. They have "the world's largest gun show" about a mile from my house about every other month. As long as the seller isn't a registered gun dealer, they don't even need to check an ID. How do I know that? I know a convicted felon who purchased 2 hand guns from that show. Not just any felony, armed robbery. When I bought a car from my dad, I had to go get a form notarized in order to complete the sale.

No American is more than a 2 hour drive from a gun show where they can purchase a gun with no check and no paperwork.

Despite claims to the contrary, there is a gun show loophole, and it needs to be closed.