OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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Help!I'maRock! said:
I admit that I didn't think Trump would win. But I also thought the fix was in for Hillary.
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i didn't think the 'fix' was in for hillary, but i thought that as much hate as dumpster was spewing, that hillary would win pretty big. who knew that the majority of the US are still the same hateful racist assholes as they were in 1865.
i've lost all respect for the citizens of this country and all hope too. maybe it really IS time to look for a different place to live.
wouldn't that be a hoot, if over the next 4 years 75 million americans left the country and it goes bankrupt without the income.
oh wait, dumpster would close all travel out of the country and we'd have the new DDR.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
I admit that I didn't think Trump would win. But I also thought the fix was in for Hillary.
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w/r/t the democratic primary, it sure seems that the party had their preference and stacked the deck in her favor at every turn possible...which, I'm sure happens every primary & at many levels of politics. It's the nature of the game and not especially surprising with someone as politically connected as HRC. "Laws, like sausages, cease to inspire respect in proportion as we know how they are made" applies to many aspects of politics.
 
Johnny N. said:
So everyone who didn't vote the way you did is a hateful racist asshole?
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I guess you could say you caught him red handed employing a false equavelency.
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Johnny N. said:
So everyone who didn't vote the way you did is a hateful racist asshole?
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no. but the ones who are going around burning down churches and putting nazi logos on them and walking into stores and shooting guns in the store because they're "investigating the story themselves" and the people who are sending out tweets with racist shit on them....those trump supporters, which apparently, are quite a few of them. it's just getting started. wait until he's actually in office.
 
mongooz said:
i don't think i made a false equivalency.
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In short, taking a quality present in a subset and applying it to the whole would be considered one forum of false equivalency or faulty generalization
who knew that the majority of the US are still the same hateful racist assholes as they were in 1865 is easily interpreted as saying everyone who voted for Donald Trump is a racist asshole because a subset of his supporters are racist assholes. Not matter how you want to define it, we know that not everyone who voted for Donald Trump is a racist asshole.
 
Lerxst said:
In short, taking a quality present in a subset and applying it to the whole would be considered one forum of false equivalency or faulty generalization
who knew that the majority of the US are still the same hateful racist assholes as they were in 1865 is easily interpreted as saying everyone who voted for Donald Trump is a racist asshole because a subset of his supporters are racist assholes. Not matter how you want to define it, we know that not everyone who voted for Donald Trump is a racist asshole.
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It's true. A significant number of people who voted for other candidates, or didn't vote at all, are also racist assholes.
 
I have given up. People are insane. I'm almost 60, no progeny, with a modest inheritance. I really have no dog in this fight. I'll probably be long gone in 10 years. I surrender to my musical cocoon. Good luck.
 
mongooz said:
no. but the ones who are going around burning down churches and putting nazi logos on them and walking into stores and shooting guns in the store because they're "investigating the story themselves" and the people who are sending out tweets with racist shit on them....those trump supporters, which apparently, are quite a few of them. it's just getting started. wait until he's actually in office.
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I'm just sarcastically keeping it light. Although I am in love with the false equivalency thing.

But surely the majority of our citizens aren't doing these things. And those who are have been doing it long before this presidential race came about. As were those who were destroying their communities, burning and looting and assassinating police officers. Hateful people, racists and otherwise, have always existed and as pointed out, they exist on either side of the isle. The point I have made that has earned me the captain of the false equivalency team is that people from both sides look the same to me, especially when they make these broad brush claims. As someone who is/was not supportive of either candidate, your post looks no different to me than the goofy Trump praisers on my Facebook feed. And my further point is that neither is helping. Your post is an example as are the ridiculous tweets. The majority of our citizens are not horrible people. People with different views than you are not automatically horrible. And people with your views are not horrible. Horrible people are horrible.
 
mongooz said:
i don't think i made a false equivalency.
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Nor a blanket statement to any reasonable sort of person.

And I'd gladly state that anyone that voted for Trump showed a lack of fact-based rationale. You can't cherry pick what you like about him and get upset when you get associated with his MANY horrible statements and actions during the campaign. Or the ten of millions of horrible zealots that fully support him, his statements, and his actions. The you there's factoring in his well documented history and the "leaked" tape. The Stern audio was from a live show, therefore not a leak. Apparently, however, the Apprentice producers had a bunch of potentially damning clips (by their own admission) that they refused to leak to avoid influencing the campaign. Yet, Trump supporters and even "undecided" voters let the clearly overblown and nearly baseless email controversy thing blind them.

Less than the majority, but still enough to win an election of voters that showed up bought into the legally proven and dismissed "rationale" to accept that:
- using a private account or server (which at least Powell also did and therefore Rice may have) was criminal,
- that each email (apparently hacked by a government openly unfriendly toward HRC leading ours AND then posted on a website with a founder that has expressed the same dislike of Hillary) was not only all official, but
- had no chance of being edited/manipulated/falsified
- the Clinton Foundation as corrupt and influencing political decisions and policies (despite watchdog groups and independent evaluators that gave them the highest ratings for their work and transparency)
- buying into baseless rumors that the Clintons have been assassinating people for decades
- and many more ridiculous theories

While turning blind eyes or accepting that Trump is a failed:
- husband
- tax payer
- businessman

AND that he is also a:
- manipulator of at least bankruptcy and tax laws
- "reality" TV star (these shows are as staged as wrestling and always have been)
- fraud (by his own admission in settling several lawsuits filed against him on those grounds)
- creator of the fake Trump Foundation (see above)
- misogynist
- racist
- xenophobe
- religious persecutor
- OR willing to use the previous four to get votes
- and much more if one wants to take the time to look up the facts

AND that he has:
- NEVER HELD ANY PUBLIC OFFICE
- NEVER DONE ANY PUBLIC SERVICE
- NEVER given a single shit about middle class folks of any race UNTIL he got involved with his TV show and then this farce of an election campaign

His supporters hugely (if not blanketly) dismissed journalism and any source of news that doesn't support their believes (fuck the facts) as part of a mass liberal media conspiracy. Completely irrational...if you facts hold any relevance in your life.

They also bought into every disproven conspiracy about Clinton (and there were a lot more of them than listed above) while dismissing all of the terrible facts about Trump (there are many more of these and they are inarguably accurate). This shows they are lacking in the ability to accept reality.

Disliking HRC as a person and not trusting her despite the lack of evidence that she did anything other than initially deny using an email server that has been proven to have cause absolutely NO harm to our government or national security? (Figured I'd ride this against since the Republicans wouldn't let it go either.) Again completely and totally without a shred of fact-based rationale.

So far Trump is showing how hollow his promises were. Again many were built upon baseless foundations that couldn't hold their own weight, so only the dense would buy into them and put their faith in them.

How is he going to "improve" on one of the strongest economies we've ever had?
How is he going to bring jobs back to America? Especially since he wants to lower minimum wage...
How is he going to save jobs for industries that are being beaten (out sold) but other industries in a free market economy?
How is he going to improve education appointing people that know nothing of public education and want to dismantle the Dept of Ed?
How is he not going to let outside parties (corporations, countries, etc.) suddenly not influence his policies, when they've already driven nearly every appointment he's made and position he's taken...especially since winning the election?
How is he going to justify his position on immigrants and Muslims when the biggest threat to our country are his big business and DC-swamp cronies?
How is he going "drain the swamp" when he's appointing so many of its in habitants to his cabinet?
How is he going to maintain, let alone improve, or international relationships when he's dismissing so many of those repaired and built over the last eight years to focus on those with nations that have never really been allies or even friendly to the U.S. for decades or more?

I only ask because he failed to provide a single detail relating to these issues and tons more during or since his campaign. Sadly though, none of this mattered to anyone that voted for him...not a single personl. Unless he can pull some amazing-ass rabbits out of that thing on his head, here is the President that was elected with the single largest lot of empty promises and lack of concrete plans we've ever elected. Let's not forget the LEAST qualified as well.

Good luck America! We need it far more than about half of you realize.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
It's true. A significant number of people who voted for other candidates, or didn't vote at all, are also racist assholes.
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True.
I'm not suggesting that it's OK to ignore, exclude or normalize any aspect of destructive behaviors like racism, misogyny, hatred or intolerance but ....we, as in all people, are never going to get to constructive dialog between people of different opinions if we are so quick to reduce everyone we disagree to being racists, snowflakes, crybabies, misogynists, ect. Both sides of the debate seem so ready to plant these flags on each other and it just suppresses expression and prevents being open to someone else's POV. If you want to change someone's opinion you need to understand their's.
 
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