OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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jelloman said:
It's making blanket statements the even she characterized as "gross generalizations" that I object to...if you're going to call a spade a spade you'd better make sure you're not pinning that label on people who don't deserve it...

Negative campaigns as both sides are running are designed to appeal to the prejudices inherent to the people you're trying to attract...

Bias is bias...bigotry and hatred on one side, elitism, superiority, and judgement on the other, and both candidates are playing to it...

And "most Trump supporters" is just as unfair as her ststement, the statement that she had no choice but to retract and apologize for...even her side is aware that they nominated a candidate that polls show the majority finds dishonest and untrustworthy..."gross generalities" aren't helping her cause..
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You are correct. Someone running for president shouldn't make those kind of comments especially when they are running under the "together" banner. But how much can a person take before fighting back? I can't think of a candidate that has been more scrutinized than her. That is her one blip and every time Trump opens his mouth it is a disaster. Political discourse in this country is getting out of hand. I would have thought with all the technology bringing people together would have been good, but it looks like people are just seeking out like minded people and that makes their terrible views (on both sides) seem ok.
 
i would like to see someone lay out their plan, explain how (at least schematically) the plan is going to work. where the $$ is coming from to fund the plan. point out what things are going change, at least in the macro scale.

i would like to see the candidates stop saying '"i'm GOING to do this and that". no you're not. congress is, IF they go along with you.

the POTUS is not a KING. they don't get to make any of these decisions.

and this isn't just Hill and Trump. it's been going on for quite some time.
 
mongooz said:
i would like to see someone lay out their plan, explain how (at least schematically) the plan is going to work. where the $$ is coming from to fund the plan. point out what things are going change, at least in the macro scale.

i would like to see the candidates stop saying '"i'm GOING to do this and that". no you're not. congress is, IF they go along with you.

the POTUS is not a KING. they don't get to make any of these decisions.

and this isn't just Hill and Trump. it's been going on for quite some time.
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"I'm going to do this or that" sounds a lot better than "I'd really like to be able to do this or that, and I totally would if I could get any cooperation out of those obstructionist shitheels over on Capitol Hill."
 
GDSmithTX said:
"I'm going to do this or that" sounds a lot better than "I'd really like to be able to do this or that, and I totally would if I could get any cooperation out of those obstructionist shitheels over on Capitol Hill."
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well, at least then they'd be pointing the finger at the actual offenders, instead of each other.
and, if the american people kept hearing that nothing is getting done BECAUSE of all the obstructionists, BY NAME, then maybe america would vote their worthless asses out, and we could start moving forward......again.
 
mongooz said:
i would like to see someone lay out their plan, explain how (at least schematically) the plan is going to work. where the $$ is coming from to fund the plan. point out what things are going change, at least in the macro scale.

i would like to see the candidates stop saying '"i'm GOING to do this and that". no you're not. congress is, IF they go along with you.

the POTUS is not a KING. they don't get to make any of these decisions.

and this isn't just Hill and Trump. it's been going on for quite some time.
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Agreed...I've said before in this discussion that politics is defined as "the art of compromise"...solutions are to be found when both sides work together and compromise their own ideologies in the interest of the general welfare...but more and more it's win and lose, the general welfare be damned...
 
jelloman said:
Agreed...I've said before in this discussion that politics is defined as "the art of compromise"...solutions are to be found when both sides work together and compromise their own ideologies in the interest of the general welfare...but more and more it's win and lose, the general welfare be damned...
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$$$$$
 
jelloman said:
That, plus a 24 hour news cycle and unlimited information access...it's as much about who controls the news cycle as it is about $$$$$$...
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The same people paying the politicians pay for the news stations too. It all comes back to the money. Do you think any politician would deny climate change if the fossil fuel industry wasn't lining their reelection funds? Not when 98% of scientists back it and the other 2% are funded by the fossil fuel industry. I just picked an easy one for an example.
 
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jelloman said:
It's making blanket statements the even she characterized as "gross generalizations" that I object to...if you're going to call a spade a spade you'd better make sure you're not pinning that label on people who don't deserve it...

Negative campaigns as both sides are running are designed to appeal to the prejudices inherent to the people you're trying to attract...

Bias is bias...bigotry and hatred on one side, elitism, superiority, and judgement on the other, and both candidates are playing to it...

And "most Trump supporters" is just as unfair as her ststement, the statement that she had no choice but to retract and apologize for...even her side is aware that they nominated a candidate that polls show the majority finds dishonest and untrustworthy..."gross generalities" aren't helping her cause..
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Unfortunately given the support of many Trump supporters for all of his "gross generalizations": muslims are terrorists, all Mexican immigrants s are rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, etc. make her faux pas seem less like a faux pas and more like a truth that the targeted people and those Republicans that are supporting the candidate despite their better judgement, don't like to acknowledge.

You can't support Trump without being implicit in the support of his xenophobic and prejudicial rhetoric. That's why so many republicans and conservatives find themselves unable to side with the man...errr, I mean asshole. Hillary is clearly not without her faults (like every one else that has ever run for office), but make no mistake, Trump is a fuming, gaping, hemorrhoid and dingleberry-riddled anus of a human being.
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
Unfortunately given the support of many Trump supporters for all of his "gross generalizations": muslims are terrorists, all Mexican immigrants s are rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, etc. make her faux pas seem less like a faux pas and more like a truth that the targeted people and those Republicans that are supporting the candidate despite their better judgement, don't like to acknowledge.

You can't support Trump without being implicit in the support of his xenophobic and prejudicial rhetoric. That's why so many republicans and conservatives find themselves unable to side with the man...errr, I mean asshole. Hillary is clearly not without her faults (like every one else that has ever run for office), but make no mistake, Trump is a fuming, gaping, hemorrhoid and dingleberry-riddled anus of a human being.
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And shame on the GOP for not presenting one single viable candidate that could defeat him...
 
Chad said:
You are correct. Someone running for president shouldn't make those kind of comments especially when they are running under the "together" banner. But how much can a person take before fighting back? I can't think of a candidate that has been more scrutinized than her. That is her one blip and every time Trump opens his mouth it is a disaster. Political discourse in this country is getting out of hand. I would have thought with all the technology bringing people together would have been good, but it looks like people are just seeking out like minded people and that makes their terrible views (on both sides) seem ok.
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Let's not discount that supposedly the appeal of Trump is "telling it like it is." Hillary does that and she gets slammed for it. There's a lot to dislike about both Obama and Clinton, but a portion of outrage against them has always been racially and gender motivated.
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
Unfortunately given the support of many Trump supporters for all of his "gross generalizations": muslims are terrorists, all Mexican immigrants s are rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, etc. make her faux pas seem less like a faux pas and more like a truth that the targeted people and those Republicans that are supporting the candidate despite their better judgement, don't like to acknowledge.

You can't support Trump without being implicit in the support of his xenophobic and prejudicial rhetoric. That's why so many republicans and conservatives find themselves unable to side with the man...errr, I mean asshole. Hillary is clearly not without her faults (like every one else that has ever run for office), but make no mistake, Trump is a fuming, gaping, hemorrhoid and dingleberry-riddled anus of a human being.
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now, tell us how you REALLY feel
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(don't get mad, i agree with you)
 
jelloman said:
And shame on the GOP for not presenting one single viable candidate that could defeat him...
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I don't think that is true. The bigger issue was presenting too many more traditional and like minded candidates that were just different to divide majority of the party. Keep half of the initial asshats out of the pool and there was a better and realistic chance to have a "better" candidate, although I didn't like any of the options. Jeb might have been the most viable, but the Bushes have had their run of the office as far as I'm concerned.

And let's not forget the electorate. All of these "deplorables" :thu: buying the shit Trump was selling...sincerely feeling like someone was finally speaking to them and the real issues. There are several million people that have wanted to call President Obama a certain thing now for since at least 2007, but haven't been given some notion of a green light. Now, however, they're free to talk about latinos as criminals (and let's not act like they distinguish country of origin, they're all Mexicans to these twits), muslims are all waiting to be activated and kill all Americans (or just waiting to be invited in to do the same), and that women aren't fit to hold the office.
 
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Dogsinotpalc said:
I don't think that is true. The bigger issue was presenting too many more traditional and like minded candidates that were just different to divide majority of the party. Keep half of the initial asshats out of the pool and there was a better and realistic chance to have a "better" candidate, although I didn't like any of the options. Jeb might have been the most viable, but the Bushes have had their run of the office as far as I'm concerned.

And let's not forget the electorate. All of these "deplorables" :thu: buying the shit Trump was selling...sincerely feeling like someone was finally speaking to them and the real issues. There are several million people that have wanted to call President Obama a certain thing now for since at least 2007, but haven't been given some notion of a green light. Now, however, they're free to talk about latinos as criminals (and let's not act like they distinguish country of origin, they're all Mexicans to these twits), muslims are all waiting to be activated and kill all Americans (or just waiting to be invited in to do the same), and that women aren't fit to hold the office.
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While you are correct that a PERCENTAGE of Trump supporters are what you say, I find your "gross geralization" as objectionable as both his and hers...

Painting groups with a broad brush is stereotyping and shows as much or more bias as the bias you're railing against...and I put it in the same category...

As I stated in my response to Smurfco, bias is bias...and intolerance is intolerance...on one side it is based on bigotry and hate, the other is based on elitism, superiority, and judgement...neither side has a corner on the bias market, and neither side can claim innocence...
 
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