OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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GomezAddams said:
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Please don't fall prey to the the popular Trump supporter tactic of associating criticism of Trump with hatred of Trump. We aren't criticizing Trump's message on Castro because it came from Trump, we are criticising the use of a negative message at a point of time when negativity will do no good.

No one is dismissing anything. Our government has finally reached the point where we realize the path we've taken with Cuba over the last 50 years has had zero impact on the Castro government, and has put a tremendous hardship on the Cuban people. It is time to move forward. Making antagonistic remarks about Fidel Castro isn't going to help a single thing. But it will sour our relationship with Raul.
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That and there have always been stupid people who overlooked the atrocities of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. And Ronald Reagan. And Bill Clinton. And pretty much every other politician who thought murder, torture, and mass incarceration are acceptable.
 
Of course he’s bringing back flag burning as an issue. Once he appoints an justice who wants to overturn Roe VS. Wade the GOP is done with abortion at the federal level. Gotta find more red meat to throw at the tea party!
 
White people claiming racism and prejudice against them is a non-starter for me...even if other ethnic groups were treating them horribly.

One moment or even a large group of them where you feel mistreated or out of place as a white person in U.S. (especially middle class or above) accounts for nothing compared to any hatred or discrimination directed toward any group anywhere on our planet. Nothing we (yeah I'm one of them) have done or can do will make up for the shit we've put every other group of people through...even other white folks. Irish, Italians, Polish, Albanians, etc. They apparently came here too late to get any respect. Of course we've not left out further hating and dissecting white people to hate by religion: jews, catholics, muslims, mormons, etc. Two of those groups are christians, one is even the original christianity!

It's almost like we have a need to identify every aspect of a given population so we can use it as a foundation for hatred. We fucking suck...and yes, I'm making us a monolith. White Americans suck, either directly or by association. Based on this election half of us need to apologize for the other half. And even that's fucked, as that "other" half should apologize for being so damned lame.

The notion that there's a sucker born every minute is a bit off. There's about 7.5 of us born every minute and it wasn't only white folks that voted for uberDouche Trump...nearly a third of latinos (who don't realize that his white base doesn't differentiate their origins, they're all Mexican criminals in their eyes...or at least they might). Hell, he got almost 10% of the black vote. So at least white folks aren't alone in their stupidity.

Crap...pulled in again.
 
He's using his Twitter rants as a weapon of mass distraction to keep the peasants occupied.

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Dogsinotpalc said:
White people claiming racism and prejudice against them is a non-starter for me...even if other ethnic groups were treating them horribly.

One moment or even a large group of them where you feel mistreated or out of place as a white person in U.S. (especially middle class or above) accounts for nothing compared to any hatred or discrimination directed toward any group anywhere on our planet. Nothing we (yeah I'm one of them) have done or can do will make up for the shit we've put every other group of people through...even other white folks. Irish, Italians, Polish, Albanians, etc. They apparently came here too late to get any respect. Of course we've not left out further hating and dissecting white people to hate by religion: jews, catholics, muslims, mormons, etc. Two of those groups are christians, one is even the original christianity!

It's almost like we have a need to identify every aspect of a given population so we can use it as a foundation for hatred. We fucking suck...and yes, I'm making us a monolith. White Americans suck, either directly or by association. Based on this election half of us need to apologize for the other half. And even that's fucked, as that "other" half should apologize for being so damned lame.

The notion that there's a sucker born every minute is a bit off. There's about 7.5 of us born every minute and it wasn't only white folks that voted for uberDouche Trump...nearly a third of latinos (who don't realize that his white base doesn't differentiate their origins, they're all Mexican criminals in their eyes...or at least they might). Hell, he got almost 10% of the black vote. So at least white folks aren't alone in their stupidity.

Crap...pulled in again.
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I completely and emphatically disagree.

There are many other racist races/countries/ethnicities that are as or more ingrained into the fabric of their society than Americas. The Japanese for starters. A Vietnamese friend at work was telling me how poorly they treat Amerasians in Vietnam. Arab/Arab discrimination is historical in it's depth of hatred between tribes that goes back 2000 years or more.

Let go of at least some of your white guilt. Keep in mind that while the US did indeed buy and keep slaves, and treat them horribly, they were stolen from their village by other black Africans from another village.


This shit is and always has been a part of humanity. Do your best not to be part of the problem by not accepting or promoting it. But racism is defined as the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

There is more than enough guilt to go around. To deny racism against white people is to put them (us) in a superior position to all other races, which is in fact blatant racism.
 
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mongooz said:
FIFY :facepalm:
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Think about it for a second...the Repubs have been trying to channel the ghost of Ronald Reagan for a couple decades. What better way than trying to breath life into all those golden hits of 80s Reagan era like abortion evil, flag burning bad, supply side economics good, deficit spending bigly good, military spending so great, tax reform like you've never seen, gut the EPA & deregulate business yes!, increase fossil fuel dependency, just say no, etc, etc. Granted the neo-nazi skinheads didn't really come on the scene until the end of the Reagan era but we're getting some of those too for good measure.

Where's my JFA skateboard? I'm possessed to skate.
 
335clone said:
I completely and emphatically disagree.

There are many other racist races/countries/ethnicities that are as or more ingrained into the fabric of their society than Americas. The Japanese for starters. A Vietnamese friend at work was telling me how poorly they treat Amerasians in Vietnam. Arab/Arab discrimination is historical in it's depth of hatred between tribes that goes back 2000 years or more.

Let go of at least some of your white guilt. Keep in mind that while the US did indeed buy and keep slaves, and treat them horribly, they were stolen from their village by other black Africans from another village.


This shit is and always has been a part of humanity. Do your best not to be part of the problem by not accepting or promoting it. But racism is defined as the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

There is more than enough guilt to go around. To deny racism against white people is to put them (us) in a superior position to all other races, which is in fact blatant racism.
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That's nice all, but white Americans still suck. :thu:

Also, it's not guilt, it's anger and shame. The former is clearly different and the latter more specifically being ashamed of about 50% of my "peer" group. I feel no personal guilt as I've committed no offenses and most of my people weren't in the U.S. or south as it relates to slavery. In fact the Irish and German sides weren't exactly greeted warmly upon their arrival. There has been prejudice and ignorance, but that's easy to avoid by avoiding those folks.

Again, we suck, but we can own it...being the first step in any effort to change it.
 
No, people in general suck. You cannot be ashamed of another's actions unless you admit to being complicit. Shame is a personified emotion, as is guilt.
 
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