OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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yea, i'm in the "TPP can die" group too. it's only good for corporate greed. i'm ok with killing NAFTA too. it kills jobs in the US and allows a f'ing rediculous trade imbalance with the rest of the world.
 
Mark Wein said:
Looky here. For once I agree with Donald:

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It would be nice if more folks actually cared enough to educate themselves on the candidates and the issues and voted next time.


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I agreed with that (did not like the Madonna crap). And his subsequent post recognizing the right to peaceful assembly and protest wasn't horrible either. Doesn't make up for the rest of his crap, but I will give him credit when due.
 
w/r/t TPP I would have rather seen the administration attempt to renegotiate aspects of the agreement than scrap it all together. It's a big ball of good and bad provisions that were intended skew trade away from China's favor & balance some into the favor of the US with the reduction or elimination of many foreign tariffs on most US exports, opening up significant exports of US agricultural good/products, some normalization of the wage disparity between member nations, included increased environmental protection requirements for many members (enough so there is a pretty good split on support for the deal by many environmental groups) & increase human rights with provisions on worker rights & reducing human trafficking. Many other member nations signaled a willingness to renegotiate the deal with the new administration. It was at least a good starting point for talks....
 
Knox in Box said:
We could discuss the key issues outlined on the whitehouse.gov site:

Won't give them a click to look, but did see that they got rid of any mention of climate change other than to say they will do away with restrictions. So Bullshit

Discuss the executive orders he has already signed:
Haven't seen a list, afraid to look at that which I'm sure I'll find bullshit.

Discuss the content of his inaugural address: He plagiarized Bane. Sad BS.

Discuss the Republican & administration objections on the delay of his cabinet appointments: Vetting is vetting and not delaying, they could have found more easily appointable candidates but choose not to, so I call bullshit.

Discuss the foreign leaders that he is already planning on meeting: I hope Trudeau pulls some Jedi mindtrick bullshit, if that doesn't work the Mexican president brings along the twins from Breaking Bad.

Discuss the administrations intentions to withdraw from TPP: This just may be okay, though I've never followed the TPP much and I'm no economics expert. Most likely it's bullshit though.

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I know, it's the age of tl;dr
 
Lerxst said:
w/r/t TPP I would have rather seen the administration attempt to renegotiate aspects of the agreement than scrap it all together. It's a big ball of good and bad provisions that were intended skew trade away from China's favor & balance some into the favor of the US with the reduction or elimination of many foreign tariffs on most US exports, opening up significant exports of US agricultural good/products, some normalization of the wage disparity between member nations, included increased environmental protection requirements for many members (enough so there is a pretty good split on support for the deal by many environmental groups) & increase human rights with provisions on worker rights & reducing human trafficking. Many other member nations signaled a willingness to renegotiate the deal with the new administration. It was at least a good starting point for talks....
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Yes, and the ACA. They were starting points.
 
Lerxst said:
w/r/t TPP I would have rather seen the administration attempt to renegotiate aspects of the agreement than scrap it all together.
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I don’t think there’s any politically tenable way to have kept the TPP alive. All those years of secret negotiations while leaking the worst parts soured much of the world against the TPP. Governments never should have tried to pull off a deal so big in the first place. Five smaller deals hashed out over the same amount of time might actually have been successful.

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It’s funny because it’s true.
 
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http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-obamacare-would-turn-medicaid-over-to-states

so they want to turn medicare/medicade over to the states to administer as they see fit. so heavily republican states could deny coverage to those folks they don't like. LGBT, people of color, democrats? sure that may be illegal according to the constitution, but if you were one of those denied, YOU would have to sue them and get it into SCOTUS, basically, to get legal relief.....yea, dumpster.....that's a fucking great idea.
 
jp_nyc said:
I don’t think there’s any politically tenable way to have kept the TPP alive. All those years of secret negotiations while leaking the worst parts soured much of the world against the TPP. Governments never should have tried to pull off a deal so big in the first place. Five smaller deals hashed out over the same amount of time might actually have been successful.

Anyway…


It’s funny because it’s true.
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That SNL clip is awesome
 
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