OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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I can get to feeling so discouraged by how things are now. Thankfully, today, I am remembering and honoring the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Currently watching Selma. And the scene in the Selma jail where they discuss Matthew 6 26-27. There it says:
26 Look at the birds of the air: They do not sow or reap or gather into barns—and yet your Heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his lifespan?

Onward and upward. One foot in front of the other.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
I can get to feeling so discouraged by how things are now. Thankfully, today, I am remembering and honoring the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Currently watching Selma. And the scene in the Selma jail where they discuss Matthew 6 26-27. There it says:
26 Look at the birds of the air: They do not sow or reap or gather into barns—and yet your Heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his lifespan?

Onward and upward. One foot in front of the other.
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pacifism only goes so far.....1776
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Interesting article on communications issues related to the election.

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/15/don...xplains-how-the-democrats-helped-elect-trump/
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I kinda have a hard time with all these rationalizations of the election that completely ignore the fact that HRC was a flawed candidate to begin with, lack of key voter turn out & focus on the 'liberal elite' angle.
It's almost like a segment of the Democratic party wants to pat themselves on the back for being too smart for their own good as to why they lost the election; personal victory in party defeat.
 
Lerxst said:
I kinda have a hard time with all these rationalizations of the election that completely ignore the fact that HRC was a flawed candidate to begin with, lack of key voter turn out & focus on the 'liberal elite' angle.
It's almost like a segment of the Democratic party wants to pat themselves on the back for being too smart for their own good as to why they lost the election; personal victory in party defeat.
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I get your point, and I was no Hillary fan. But I don't take the article this way. I viewed as another example of how Hillary and her campaign were somewhat tone deaf and therefore further flawed as a candidate.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Interesting article on communications issues related to the election.

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/15/don...xplains-how-the-democrats-helped-elect-trump/
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Some interesting, some not so on the mark. A huge part of the Republican success in marketing their message is that they are preaching to a choir...one that only wants to hear the psalms and hymns they know and love. The Republicans aligned themselves with that so they could get all of their other agendas and policies supported. Part of why this works is more than a bit of purposeful ignorance on the part of the electorate. And we've never seen that so strong as with this past election...people will openly buy all of the lies that support their perspective.

I get that the Democrats haven't thought as deeply about the marketing aspect of what they do. It's been that way for decades and this latest election makes is undeniable. That said, it's become too easy to blame them for thinking/believing/hoping that the truth would win out. This shouldn't be viewed as a negative or naivete, but part of how liberals have tried to, and in the past successfully, appeal to the electorate. Obviously they have failed with regularity as well. Usually, their failure seems more of a backlash against perceived problems. However, when Clinton and now Obama were followed by Republicans after huge economic gains, low unemployment rates, and so many more positives, it does point to something wrong. Chalking it all up to the Democrats not marketing enough bullshit doesn't seem like the real problem. And let's be honest, the folks that vehemently supported Trump right out of the gate...their issues with liberals and Democrats were only exacerbated by the ethnicity of our most recent President. Was it the only issue? Definitely not, but was it one of the biggest problems they had with the man as they endlessly searched for other reasons to openly hate him? No fucking doubt.

I'm still surprised that the fanatical Christian element in this country ended up supporting Trump. Most of his actions are the antithesis of Christ-like. Hillary isn't particularly Christ-like either, but she has never done or said things that flagrantly fly in the face of a religion she actually practices. But to one of Lakoff's points, the Republican's marketed the hell out of her being bad and evil (despite all evidence to the contrary).
 
Lerxst said:
I kinda have a hard time with all these rationalizations of the election that completely ignore the fact that HRC was a flawed candidate to begin with, lack of key voter turn out & focus on the 'liberal elite' angle.
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In this case I’d say he’s rationalizing why Hillary was a bad candidate. She didn’t know how to get her message across. Because she was trying to reason with people who don’t reason.
 
jp_nyc said:
In this case I’d say he’s rationalizing why Hillary was a bad candidate. She didn’t know how to get her message across. Because she was trying to reason with people who don’t reason.
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That's the symptoms of a flawed campaign but not why she was a bad candidate.
 
When having a dream silences a nightmare.
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its crazy how republicans get people to vote against their interests over and over again.

I think they use issues like abortion and anti-gay/lgbt marriage to get people to vote for them who would normally not agree with the rest of their platform.

would people have voted trump had he said 18-20 million people are going to lose health insurance?

would people have voted trump if he had said we would pay for the wall and hope mexico reimburses us afterwards?

would people have voted trump if he said he had no plans to lock her up?

would people have voted trump if he said he would appoint so many goldman execs and other campaign donors to his cabinet?
 
sleewell said:
would people have voted trump if he said he would appoint so many goldman execs and other campaign donors to his cabinet?
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but....but....but.....those guys are the "outsiders" he was talking about and what the tea baggers said they wanted. not inside the beltway good old boys.
(instead, now we'll have the good old boys that made all the campaign contributions to the old good old boys, to begin with)

edit: hey maybe these guys will save us money, because they can just give their campaign contributions to themselves.
 
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