smurfco
Meatus McPrepuce
Yeah but he wrote Jurassic Park, that's gotta count for something.
OMG Politics, I'm over it already.
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wagdog
Ack
I'm not gonna argue with you on any of your points cause there really isn't much to say.
What I find troubling is the now oft repeated mantra that new racist incidents are somehow tied to Trump. It's one of those "repeat it enough times so it can be true" things. I'm sure the dipstick at the DQ was spoutin' off stupid shit long before he ever heard of Trump.
Perhaps the racists, bigots and mysogynists are feeling embolded and speaking out more - great, makes 'em easier to spot. I don't believe Trump created any new ones.
FWIW, I try not to gauge too much on what or how frequently something is reported in the press.
VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
The "oft-repeated mantra" of Build That Wall is totally cool though!
Dogsinplastic
avuncular to no one
What I find troubling is that people can't see that there has been an increase in people with prejudicial tendencies being outspoken distinctly increasing during the campaign and since Trump's victory.
Only a fool would even imply, let alone suggest, that Trump has caused any racism. But I would say it is similar to deny that his platform and the masses that attended his rallies didn't come away letting people feel more comfortable about expressing their prejudice. We've seen and heard it our neighborhood among kids through elderly adults. Also the news isn't out to get us by reporting these incidents, the increase in coverage and discussion is at least in part due to an increase in activity. But they will roll with it, as they did with Trump's candidacy as long people keep tuning in and/or keep spewing the hate.
Where is anyone reporting or even suggesting that Trump is creating 'new' racists?
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
There has definitely been an uptick in reporting hate crimes. Whether there has been an actual increase is another issue. But there's a new one every day in the news.
mongooz
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kinda makes you wonder exactly what the agenda of the media really is. are they reporting more events for effect? to what end ? or are more events actually taking place. how the hell would we know which it is? we only know what we can read/see on the news and internet. but if that is being manipulated for some end....how would we know? who the fuck do we trust?
Lerxst
spaghetti and blankets
mongooz
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yea....i saw chuck talking about that.....shoe is on the other foot. but do you think for one blue fucking second that the MSM will pick up on it and make a REAL fucking issue? nope. they're too happy playing apprentice tv.
i am actually looking into some "aqcuisitions".....of the bolt action kind.
GDSmithTX
Corporate cog
Do you mean that more people are making false hate crime reports? Or that they somehow feel more comfortable reporting them now that Trump was elected?
https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/com_hate_incidents_report_final.pdf
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38149406
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hate-on-the-rise-after-trumps-election
http://observer.com/2016/12/nypd-reports-huge-spike-in-hate-crimes-since-donald-trumps-election/
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/health/hate-crimes-tracking-history-fbi/
This is from a Nov 30th Forbes article.
On the other hand, according to a new SPLC report published last week, activity has tapered off after the initial month-long burst of newly-emboldened and -empowered fuckwits* feeling like Trump's election gave them the political capital to abuse others. But the baseline rate remains higher than it was before the election.
Specifically to your statement "Whether there has been an actual increase is another issue":
The report includes more than a dozen incidents the center determined were fake or never happened.
"There were some hoaxes; there always are," Beirich said. "What you can't do is highlight the hoaxes to try and undermine the problem instead of solving it."
"There were some hoaxes; there always are," Beirich said. "What you can't do is highlight the hoaxes to try and undermine the problem instead of solving it."
*One of these fuckwits accosted one of my best friends Chris in his local bar for wearing a band shirt from industrial act CombiChrist. He grabbed Chris by the shirt and started questioning him, increasingly more aggressively, about whether the meaning of the shirt was a religious insult. Chris isn't a fighter at all, but this guy (who'd been drinking) made Chris so uncomfortable that went out to his car to get pepper spray. When was walking back in the door, the asshole was literally thrown out into the street by the bartender and a couple of other patrons who'd seen what happened. This was within two weeks of the election.
mongooz
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this is just a general question.....but.....i've been seeing very recently (last few days or so) that every time an article is quoting or about Sec. Kerry, they are referring to him as "John F. Kerry".....wtf? what's with the (it seems) sudden J.F.K. reference? he didn't run for Pres. as john EFFFF kerry. what's the deal there?
FenderPusher
Beardcore Apologist
That's just GOP shorthand for John "F this war hero we're gonna swiftboat his ass" Kerry.
VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
If you voted for Trump (hint, hint), your shredded conscience would certainly direct you to get out there and deny any connection between the TrumpKlan movement and an increase in minority discrimination. That's just how human nature works.
mongooz
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but it's not the GOP writing the news stories. it's more on the liberal side making the reference.
mikesr1963
Gonna walk my dog, you?
"Evil is as evil does.
Wolves, lions and other predators are largely taught how to hunt by their parents. Prey animals are taught how to survive by their parents. The females do much of the teaching.
People aren’t much different. We largely learn from our parents what is right from wrong, good from bad, acceptable versus unacceptable behavior. The overwhelming majority of us become what we are taught.
This is what perplexes me about the four teenage punks in Chicago who lured the guy into their lair where they held him captive, beat him, made him drink from the toilet, and broadcast their evil on Facebook.
What kind of parent teaches their off-spring that this is acceptable behavior? What kind of “parents” could they possibly be to have raised these four vile and disgusting rabid punks? Are the parents of these rabid punks as despicable as their off-spring?
This is what isn’t being discussed by our fake media. Where are the parents? Who are they? Do they have criminal records? Are they as evil as their children?"
Ted Nugent
Wolves, lions and other predators are largely taught how to hunt by their parents. Prey animals are taught how to survive by their parents. The females do much of the teaching.
People aren’t much different. We largely learn from our parents what is right from wrong, good from bad, acceptable versus unacceptable behavior. The overwhelming majority of us become what we are taught.
This is what perplexes me about the four teenage punks in Chicago who lured the guy into their lair where they held him captive, beat him, made him drink from the toilet, and broadcast their evil on Facebook.
What kind of parent teaches their off-spring that this is acceptable behavior? What kind of “parents” could they possibly be to have raised these four vile and disgusting rabid punks? Are the parents of these rabid punks as despicable as their off-spring?
This is what isn’t being discussed by our fake media. Where are the parents? Who are they? Do they have criminal records? Are they as evil as their children?"
Ted Nugent
FenderPusher
Beardcore Apologist
Yeah it was a poor attempt at political humor, I've honestly not heard him called that so I can't say. Maybe the media pines for the days where the worst thing a president could do was have hooers on the side.
mongooz
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parents instill the core values, however, after about 11 or 12, peer values can begin to redirect the core values. thug mentality doesn't always come from the parents. you are who you hang out with. these f'ing racist assholes are CLEARLY thugs. i hope they get the maximum 50 years. they deserve it.....well they DESERVE a lot worse, but i'll leave it there.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
Do you mean that more people are making false hate crime reports? Or that they somehow feel more comfortable reporting them now that Trump was elected?
https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/com_hate_incidents_report_final.pdf
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38149406
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hate-on-the-rise-after-trumps-election
http://observer.com/2016/12/nypd-reports-huge-spike-in-hate-crimes-since-donald-trumps-election/
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/health/hate-crimes-tracking-history-fbi/
This is from a Nov 30th Forbes article.
On the other hand, according to a new SPLC report published last week, activity has tapered off after the initial month-long burst of newly-emboldened and -empowered fuckwits* feeling like Trump's election gave them the political capital to abuse others. But the baseline rate remains higher than it was before the election.
Specifically to your statement "Whether there has been an actual increase is another issue":
The report includes more than a dozen incidents the center determined were fake or never happened.
"There were some hoaxes; there always are," Beirich said. "What you can't do is highlight the hoaxes to try and undermine the problem instead of solving it."
*One of these fuckwits accosted one of my best friends Chris in his local bar for wearing a band shirt from industrial act CombiChrist. He grabbed Chris by the shirt and started questioning him, increasingly more aggressively, about whether the meaning of the shirt was a religious insult. Chris isn't a fighter at all, but this guy (who'd been drinking) made Chris so uncomfortable that went out to his car to get pepper spray. When was walking back in the door, the asshole was literally thrown out into the street by the bartender and a couple of other patrons who'd seen what happened. This was within two weeks of the election.
No, I mean more hate crimes are being reported by the media as "front page" news. Whether that's due to an actual increase in hate crimes remains to be seen. NYC is currently struggling with dropping crime but an increased number of rapes. Is it because there are more actual rapes, or because there's better reporting of it? The NYPD can't account for the increase. That said, I'm glad to see more crimes being reported.
As for @mongooz, and my impression of the media, I think this sums it up nicely:
I think there is an element of "the flavour of the day" that drives the media. Always.
One outlet finds a big story and the rest run out looking for similar stories to one up the first.
That goes for any topic.
So, you end up hearing more about something that has always been happening.
That said, as for the topic at hand, I do think think that there a lot of folks tha might have held their tongue in the past that now feel a little more emboldened after seeing more overt expressions of what they feel. That's not creating what they are, it's just giving them a level of comfort to express what they are.
So, while the media might be focused on the topic, they aren't having a hard time finding the stories.
One outlet finds a big story and the rest run out looking for similar stories to one up the first.
That goes for any topic.
So, you end up hearing more about something that has always been happening.
That said, as for the topic at hand, I do think think that there a lot of folks tha might have held their tongue in the past that now feel a little more emboldened after seeing more overt expressions of what they feel. That's not creating what they are, it's just giving them a level of comfort to express what they are.
So, while the media might be focused on the topic, they aren't having a hard time finding the stories.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
Sure, because Ted Bundy's parents taught him to kill women. Jeffery Dahmer's parents loved to exchange how to cook human organ recipes with him. Charles Manson's parents used to have lengthy family discussions on how to establish a cult and get the members to kill for you.
Some people are just screwed up. Some people have shitty or no parents. I think it is very short sighted to just say, who are the parents.
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