OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

[Chad]

A vote for a third party candidate is the same as not voting (for the sake of this argument). I understand that voting for a third party may help that party financially, but for deciding who gets in the White House in 2016, a third party vote is the same as not voting.

Tell that to Al Gore. Had he gotten Nader's 97,000 votes in Florida, he would have beaten Bush easily.

By this logic, if you vote for the losing candidate, you should just stay home. I voted for Kerry, so my vote didn't decide who got in the White House.

 

[Flamencology]

Tell that to Al Gore. Had he gotten Nader's 97,000 votes in Florida, he would have beaten Bush easily..

To be fair, Gore won anyway.

(and 5 Chief Justices will burn in historical hell for all eternity)

 

[Chad]

To be fair, Gore won anyway.

(and 5 Chief Justices will burn in historical hell for all eternity)

Really? I thought Bush was president for 8 years???

and there is only one Chief Justice, the others are Associates.

 

[sonik]

Florida! Excelsior!

 

[rhino]

I understand the logic of it, though.

Which is why I keep stressing the logic of instant runoff voting.

I'd like to live in a world where we vote for somebody instead of against somebody else.

 

[Flamencology]

I'd like to live in a world where we vote for somebody instead of against somebody else.

Yeah, it's nice when that happens.

But sometimes it's the wrong move.

Case-by-case basis.

 

[sonik]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[GomezAddams]

Tell that to Al Gore. Had he gotten Nader's 97,000 votes in Florida, he would have beaten Bush easily.

Please remember that I said "for the purpose of this argument". Third party candidates can change the outcome of an election (arguably, always for the worse). But this year, it isn't going to make a difference unless Sanders goes independent, which he won't do because he knows how disastrous this would be.

By this logic, if you vote for the losing candidate, you should just stay home. I voted for Kerry, so my vote didn't decide who got in the White House.

Look at the flip side of your counter argument: if you voted for the winning candidate, you should have just stayed home. While both make sense at a micro level, they fail at the macro level.

 

[Flamencology]

Please remember that I said "for the purpose of this argument". Third party candidates can change the outcome of an election (arguably, always for the worse). But this year, it isn't going to make a difference unless Sanders goes independent, which he won't do because he knows how disastrous this would be.

He couldn't even if he wanted to.

Ballot deadlines are long-past.

 

[GomezAddams]

Here's a great reply to a Nader supporter who claimed they just couldn't vote democrat from a 2008 Shadowproof blog posting (https://shadowproof.com/2008/02/25/your-mumia-sweatshirt-wont-get-you-into-heaven-anymore/)

Seems very appropriate in this year's election.

Every year in Happy Gumdrop Fairy-Tale Land all of the sprites and elves and woodland creatures gather together to pick the Rainbow Sunshine Queen. Everyone is there: the Lollipop Guild, the Star-Twinkle Toddlers, the Sparkly Unicorns, the Cookie Baking Apple-cheeked Grandmothers, the Fluffy Bunny Bund, the Rumbly-Tumbly Pupperoos, the Snowflake Princesses, the Baby Duckies All-In-A-Row, the Laughing Babies, and the Dykes on Bikes. They have a big picnic with cupcakes and gumdrops and pudding pops, stopping only to cast their votes by throwing Magic Wishing Rocks into the Well of Laughter, Comity, and Good Intentions. Afterward they spend the rest of the night dancing and singing and waving glow sticks until dawn when they tumble sleepy-eyed into beds made of the purest and whitest goose down where they dream of angels and clouds of spun sugar.

You don’t live there.

Grow the fuck up.

 

[Chad]

Please remember that I said "for the purpose of this argument". Third party candidates can change the outcome of an election (arguably, always for the worse). But this year, it isn't going to make a difference unless Sanders goes independent, which he won't do because he knows how disastrous this would be.



Look at the flip side of your counter argument: if you voted for the winning candidate, you should have just stayed home. While both make sense at a micro level, they fail at the macro level.

Not if your candidate wins by 1 vote

The third party can have an impact on the election this year. Bush won Florida by what, a little less that 600 votes? There were 6 third party candidates in Florida with more than 600 votes. If any one of those wouldn't have run, there is a very good chance Gore would have been president. The race this year will be close, unless Trump finally says something that even the die-hard supporters can't stomach or Hillary gets indited over the mail server.

 

[sonik]

 

[rhino]

Yeah, it's nice when that happens.

But sometimes it's the wrong move.

Case-by-case basis.

I get the logic behind don't waste your vote on a 3rd party. I might not have been clear. I think the instant runoff you mentioned would allow people to vote for who they really wanted instead of against somebody else.

 

[Chad]

He couldn't even if he wanted to.

Ballot deadlines are long-past.

Nope.
[hide]Petition signature requirements for independent presidential candidates, 2016
State Formula Example of signatures needed Filing deadline
Alabama 5,000 5,000 8/18/2016
Alaska 1% of the total number of state voters who cast ballots for president in the most recent election 3,005 8/10/2016
Arizona 3% of all registered voters who are not affiliated with a qualified political party 36,000 9/9/2016
Arkansas 1,000 1,000 8/1/2016
California 1% of the total number of registered voters in the state at the time of the close of registration prior to the preceding general election 178,039 8/12/2016
Colorado 5,000 5,000 8/10/2016
Connecticut 1% of the total vote cast for president in the most recent election, or 7,500, whichever is less 7,500 8/10/2016
Delaware 1% of the total number of registered voters in the state 6,500 7/15/2016
Florida 1% of the total number of registered voters in the state 119,316 7/15/2016
Georgia Temporary court order applying only to 2016 candidates 7,500 7/12/2016
Hawaii 1% of the total number of votes cast in the state for president in the most recent election 4,347 8/10/2016
Idaho 1,000 1,000 8/24/2016
Illinois 1% of the total number of voters in the most recent statewide general election, or 25,000, whichever is less 25,000 6/27/2016
Indiana 2% of the total vote cast for secretary of state in the most recent election 26,700 6/30/2016
Iowa 1,500 eligible voters from at least 10 of the state's counties 1,500 8/19/2016
Kansas 5,000 5,000 8/1/2016
Kentucky 5,000 5,000 9/9/2016
Louisiana 5,000 5,000 8/19/2016
Maine Between 4,000 and 6,000 4,000 8/1/2016
Maryland 1% of the total number of registered state voters 38,000 8/1/2016
Massachusetts 10,000 10,000 8/2/2016
Michigan 30,000 30,000 7/21/2016
Minnesota 2,000 2,000 8/23/2016
Mississippi 1,000 1,000 9/9/2016
Missouri 10,000 10,000 7/25/2016
Montana 5% of the total votes cast for the successful candidate for governor in the last election, or 5,000, whichever is less 5,000 8/17/2016
Nebraska 2,500 registered voters who did not vote in any party's primary 2,500 8/1/2016
Nevada 1% of the total number of votes cast for all representatives in Congress in the last election 5,431 7/8/2016
New Hampshire 3,000 voters, with at least 1,500 from each congressional district 3,000 8/10/2016
New Jersey 800 800 8/1/2016
New Mexico 3% of the total votes cast for governor in the last general election 15,388 6/30/2016
New York 15,000, with at least 100 from each of the state's congressional districts 15,000 8/23/2016
North Carolina 2% of the total votes cast for governor in the previous general election 89,366 6/9/2016
North Dakota 4,000 4,000 9/5/2016
Ohio 5,000 5,000 8/10/2016
Oklahoma 3% of the total votes cast in the last general election for president 40,047 7/15/2016
Oregon 1% of the total votes cast in the last general election for president 17,893 8/30/2016
Pennsylvania 2% of the largest entire vote cast for any elected candidate in the state at the last preceding election at which statewide candidates were voted for" 25,000 8/1/2016
Rhode Island 1,000 1,000 9/9/2016
South Carolina 5% of registered voters up to 10,000 10,000 7/15/2016
South Dakota 1% of the combined vote for governor in the last election 2,775 8/2/2016
Tennessee 25 votes per state elector (275 total) 275 8/18/2016
Texas 1% of the total votes cast for all candidates in the previous presidential election 79,939 5/9/2016
Utah 1,000 1,000 8/15/2016
Vermont 1,000 1,000 8/1/2016
Virginia 5,000 registered voters, with at least 200 from each congressional district 5,000 8/26/2016
Washington 1,000 1,000 7/23/2016
Washington, D.C. 1% of the district's qualified voters 4,600 8/10/2016
West Virginia 1% of the total votes cast in the state for president in the most recent election 6,705 8/1/2016
Wisconsin Between 2,000 and 4,000 2,000 8/2/2016
Wyoming 2% of the total number of votes cast for United States Representative in the most recent general election 3,302 8/30/2016

Only Texas has passed.

 

[sonik]

I get the logic behind don't waste your vote on a 3rd party. I might not have been clear, but I think the instant runoff you mentioned would allow people to vote for who they really wanted instead of against somebody else.

Yes.

 

[rhino]

Here's a great reply to a Nader supporter who claimed they just couldn't vote democrat from a 2008 Shadowproof blog posting (https://shadowproof.com/2008/02/25/your-mumia-sweatshirt-wont-get-you-into-heaven-anymore/)

Seems very appropriate in this year's election.

Every year in Happy Gumdrop Fairy-Tale Land all of the sprites and elves and woodland creatures gather together to pick the Rainbow Sunshine Queen. Everyone is there: the Lollipop Guild, the Star-Twinkle Toddlers, the Sparkly Unicorns, the Cookie Baking Apple-cheeked Grandmothers, the Fluffy Bunny Bund, the Rumbly-Tumbly Pupperoos, the Snowflake Princesses, the Baby Duckies All-In-A-Row, the Laughing Babies, and the Dykes on Bikes. They have a big picnic with cupcakes and gumdrops and pudding pops, stopping only to cast their votes by throwing Magic Wishing Rocks into the Well of Laughter, Comity, and Good Intentions. Afterward they spend the rest of the night dancing and singing and waving glow sticks until dawn when they tumble sleepy-eyed into beds made of the purest and whitest goose down where they dream of angels and clouds of spun sugar.

You don’t live there.

Grow the fuck up.

This is exactly what the Bacon Wrapped Shrimp Club in DC wants you to think.

Grow up. Toe the line. Because if not, (insert whatever your hot button topic is here*) will happen if the other side wins.




*some examples include abortion, health care, guns, the environment, gay bathroom cakes.

 

[Tig]

One does not rule the roost without breaking a few eggs along the way.
Or ya know, being a total cock.

 

[Mark Wein]

, gay bathroom cakes.

Thats my hot button right there. Because I don't want my penis subjected to gay bathroom cakes. I mean, it's bad enough I need to show my penis to an inanimate object in the first place to make dirty water but if it also happened to be gay then my genitalia might decide it were gay too and then I'd have to cut it off because it'll cause the rest of me to go to hell if it infects me with the gay. Oh wait, thats a choice people make. SO maybe the urinal cake can choose to be "not gay"? Or at least "not ask not tell" of its preference so as to not make me uncomfortable. I guess I could use a stall but then what if the toilet paper dispenser chooses to be gay? Or Jewish or Muslim? Or a gay muslim/jew hybrid toilet paper dispenser? I mean, that could happen..right? The chemtrail chemicals just don't work on people but they also cause everyday objects to become aligned with the races, sexuality and religions that I know are the tools of Satan don't they? And then the Obama will lead the UN to a victory over all that is pure in this country even if the Donald is elected because he got there first with his vaccines which actually also implant mind control chips into all of the babies (as well as autism and socialism) and everyone who didn't cast their ballot in a strip mall church will be cast into bondage or beheaded by ISIS. Does anybody remember ISIS? I bet that they are secretly in cahoots with the gay urinal cakes to take down our way of life. The Duck Dynasty guy said so on twitter.

 

[mongooz]

@Mark Wein
TOOOOOOOOOO FUNNNY.

oh wait......there's a large segment of the country that actually thinks that way.

 

[rhino]

Thats my hot button right there. Because I don't want my penis subjected to gay bathroom cakes. I mean, it's bad enough I need to show my penis to an inanimate object in the first place to make dirty water but if it also happened to be gay then my genitalia might decide it were gay too and then I'd have to cut it off because it'll cause the rest of me to go to hell if it infects me with the gay. Oh wait, thats a choice people make. SO maybe the urinal cake can choose to be "not gay"? Or at least "not ask not tell" of its preference so as to not make me uncomfortable. I guess I could use a stall but then what if the toilet paper dispenser chooses to be gay? Or Jewish or Muslim? Or a gay muslim/jew hybrid toilet paper dispenser? I mean, that could happen..right? The chemtrail chemicals just don't work on people but they also cause everyday objects to become aligned with the races, sexuality and religions that I know are the tools of Satan don't they? And then the Obama will lead the UN to a victory over all that is pure in this country even if the Donald is elected because he got there first with his vaccines which actually also implant mind control chips into all of the babies (as well as autism and socialism) and everyone who didn't cast their ballot in a strip mall church will be cast into bondage or beheaded by ISIS. Does anybody remember ISIS? I bet that they are secretly in cahoots with the gay urinal cakes to take down our way of life. The Duck Dynasty guy said so on twitter.

pretty much sums up why I'm not on Facebook