OMG Politics, I'm over it already Mk III, The Search for Spock

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I have sometimes thought that at their core, protest folk, and punk share some commonality. I like to think that in his own folky way, Woody Guthrie had some punk in him.

Punk is protest music. That protest might be "I Wanna Sniff Some Glue", but it's still a protest against the establishment. Woody Guthrie wasn't a punk because punk didn't exist yet. But he definitely wrote protest music.
 
I'm not convinced the Bernie Bros were Democrats. They were voters who registered as Democrats for the sole purpose of voting for Bernie. They weren't party people, and should never have been counted on to vote Democrat in the general election.

i know a bernie supporter who voted for trump bc he was so pissed at hillary and the DNC. he is a union guy at general motors, wonder how that's working out for him now.
 
Will Stenberg
Yesterday at 2:10 AM
I hate “we’re fucked.”

I mean, I don’t want to shame anyone who has said it, thought it, or posted it. I have too. But as a philosophy, as a statement of belief, I hate it. Because it means you’ve given up.

We are absolutely NOT fucked.

Things are so bad. This country has taken a turn that I could never have predicted. It is absolutely fascist, nativist, and extremist. It’s every bit as scary as it seems.

But we are not fucked.

I read a long-form article on the Russia hacks in the New Yorker not long ago. However much you think that influenced the outcome, it was an instructive piece of journalism. There is very little indication that there was a specific political agenda that was being wished for. The goal was simple: Sow chaos and undermine the faith of Westerners in their own institutions.

This is really important to think about right now.

I have a high regard for Mueller and I think his investigation will have some influence. But don’t wait on him to save us. He can’t. And don’t wait on impeachment. I would support it fervently, but it is nothing to bank on. And especially don't assume Trump can't win again. He absolutely can. Our best bet - better, even, than all of our protests and actions - is actually voting.

It’s so square. It’s so old-fashioned. Many of us involved with the hard-left or anarchist scene have been trained to disregard it.

Fucking don’t. NOT NOW, guys. It is the best tool at our disposal. Yeah, you can say that they will sabotage it, reject it, whatever. “Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof.” In other words, don’t create troubles before they exist. Anything seems possible to me right now, but it remains the case - despite hacked voting machines and gerrymandering - that there is no known mechanism by which our government can deny massive voter turnout.

Take back the House in November. Then take back the Presidency in 2020. The worst thing we could do is pretend that these are givens. I never, ever, ever thought that this piece of shit could sit in the Oval Office. I was so humbled by my error. Therefore I assume he could take it again - I know he could - unless we accept the threat as real.

When we say, “We’re fucked,” we roll over. We defeat ourselves. We do their job for them. Don’t do that. We are NOT fucked. We are in a fight. It sucks. It’s hard. People are suffering. The earth is suffering. It will get worse.

You know, since everyone loves the Nazi comparisons, there were people during the HEYDAY of the Third Reich who NEVER said, “We’re fucked.” They said, “We’re in a fight.” And you know what’s interesting? Nazi Germany went from the worst regime in the world to a liberal democracy within a lifetime.

Look at Japan. Take the historical view. Stop pretending that the worst of what’s happening now is what is going to always happen. This is what is happening RIGHT NOW. That’s all you know. If you think it’s going to be this way forever, read a book.

Countries slide into fascism for long periods. It happens. Countries also have short-term extremist right-wing governments. Happens in Europe all the time. They get voted out. The threat remains. The threat of fascism will remain in America in a way it never has before. It’s a real movement. But we’re not fucked. Not even close. We can get off the ropes in the mid-terms and knock them out in 2020. But only if we stop saying that we’re fucked, and start seeing this as a fight.

I’m no Pollyanna. Things are so unutterably bad that I walk around in a constant state of nausea and horror. But you have to take the historical view, and you can’t lie down and say we’re doomed, or else they have beaten you.

Again, I don’t want to shame anyone who says, “We’re fucked” as an emotional reaction. I get it, I really do. But if you say that as a historical reality, then you SHOULD be ashamed. We are so far from being fucked. It's time for that warrior spirit, from everyone.

Our best bet, actually our only realistic bet, is to mobilize the vote. There has always been a silver lining to this situation. I have always hesitated to state it, for fear of sounding like I am not taking the horror seriously. Fuck that; I do. But there has always been the possibility, there remains the possibility, that this is a time when our country faces up to its worst reflection, sees it truly, and breaks the fucking mirror. A time when the last bastion of white power and male supremacy and oligarchy attempts to enact fascism, but the antibodies of the American system and American multi-culturalism kick in to reject it.

Where do you want to stand in that equation? As someone who rolled over because we’ve have had two awful years of shit that much of the world has already experienced many, many, many times over, so you decided that we’re finished and done for? Come on. Look at Europe, look at Africa, look at Asia. Back and forth with this shit, and much worse.

I have your back. Get up. Here’s my hand. Let’s fight.

It can’t become hip to give up. It can’t become hip to say we are fucked. Look at history. People have been so much more fucked than us, and won. If you truly believe we are finished, I’m sorry, but you were the first to fall. Stick a fork in you, turn you over, you’re done. I don’t want to see you do that, if only for the selfish reason that we need you.

Do all the protests, do all the direct action, make all the phone calls, then mobilize in October and November. That’s when we can get off the ropes and start punching again. Take the long view, my sisters and brothers. Don’t let them take you out of the fight.

And if you need me for anything, I am here.


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ok.....
1) if the electorate (close to all of it) gets their lazy ass to the polls in 2020 and votes, then he's right, we aren't totally fucked.
2) if the above does not happen, then yes, we are fucked.
3) what preparations are people making if the 2020 election results in a democrat win, but the current admin declares it null & void?

i'm just sayin', because it's not like that couldn't happen, not with these assholes.
 
i know a bernie supporter who voted for trump bc he was so pissed at hillary and the DNC. he is a union guy at general motors, wonder how that's working out for him now.

Is he a solid Democrat who had voted Democrat in prior elections? Or is he an independent who liked Bernie?
 
Punk is protest music. That protest might be "I Wanna Sniff Some Glue", but it's still a protest against the establishment. Woody Guthrie wasn't a punk because punk didn't exist yet. But he definitely wrote protest music.
Well, yeah, if you are going to be so literal about it. Agreed. I was pointing out commonality of attitude I even think somewhere there is a pic of Wood guthrie flipping off the camera. And there was the "This machine kills fascists" homemade sticker on his guitar too. And some of that rubbed off ultimately on the punk crowd.
 
Is he a solid Democrat who had voted Democrat in prior elections? Or is he an independent who liked Bernie?
I have always been an independent, and never registered as a Dem or attended a caucus before Bernie. But I have voted pretty much full Dem in every election since moving to Idaho. So, not sure what that makes me. Well, I am sure in my own mind. And I don't think a label applied to me matters. I think what matters is that I vote, and hopefully motivate other progressive people to do so also. Whatever the label. I sure wish the DNC and DNC leadership would do a better job of doing the same thing.
 
I'm not convinced the Bernie Bros were Democrats. They were voters who registered as Democrats for the sole purpose of voting for Bernie. They weren't party people, and should never have been counted on to vote Democrat in the general election.
Interesting theory. It would explain a few things.
 
Punk is protest music. That protest might be "I Wanna Sniff Some Glue", but it's still a protest against the establishment. Woody Guthrie wasn't a punk because punk didn't exist yet. But he definitely wrote protest music.

When Greg Graffin released one of his solo albums, it was very folky. I remember reading an interview with him where he said the old folk singers like Guthrie were the original punks.
 
I have always been an independent, and never registered as a Dem or attended a caucus before Bernie. But I have voted pretty much full Dem in every election since moving to Idaho. So, not sure what that makes me. Well, I am sure in my own mind. And I don't think a label applied to me matters. I think what matters is that I vote, and hopefully motivate other progressive people to do so also. Whatever the label. I sure wish the DNC and DNC leadership would do a better job of doing the same thing.
Maybe your state is different, but here in MD one cannot vote in the primary unless they are registered with that party. As was seen in 2016, sometimes the primaries can be just as important as the general election. You may want to consider registering with your chosen party.
 
Maybe your state is different, but here in MD one cannot vote in the primary unless they are registered with that party. As was seen in 2016, sometimes the primaries can be just as important as the general election. You may want to consider registering with your chosen party.
Done deal now. I think the state DNC is attempting to move beyond caucuses to a primary. But not sure of the status. Will have to check. I will tell you one thing, all the energy, fire and youth was on the Bernie side of the gym. The Hilary side looked like when the camera pans across the people manning the phones for your local PBS telephone pledge drive month. Very nice and well meaning. But the energy and fire was on the other side. Sad thing was, once Hilary won, I couldn't get many of the younger people I know on the Bernie side to get out there and help at all. It would be nice to marry the two sides. Openness to new ideas and energy, with a show up and man the phone if it needs to be done attitude.
 
Maybe your state is different, but here in MD one cannot vote in the primary unless they are registered with that party. As was seen in 2016, sometimes the primaries can be just as important as the general election. You may want to consider registering with your chosen party.

In VA, you can vote in any primary regardless of party affiliation. The last congressional race, I voted in the republican primary because one of the republican candidates made Trump look sane and I was perfectly fine with both of the democratic nominees. It is good to check your state rules though.
 
You can always change your affiliation. I would have registered Democrat for the 2016 election if I had known by the registration deadline 6 months prior that Bernie would make it that far. So I stuck as a Republican and voted against Trump.
funny thing about that. here in ohio you don't have to be registered as anything to vote in the primaries. so i voted for Kasich in the republican primary to try to steal a vote away from trump. then voted for hillary in the general.
 
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