More proof that autonomous vehicles are bad.

No automated systems are not there....yet. They are growing exponentially. The big different between the best human driver and an automated one is that the automated one will never get tired, never have a lapse in concentration. It will take time for automated systems to get good enough to pilot a vehicle all the time without intervention. There are some ethical concerns as well, do you swerve to miss the baby stroller and head on another car? Run over a squirrel or not etc. I would however submit that if all cars were AI controlled that might not be a concern if the AI anticipated the possibility ahead of time and simple all the cars stop/slow down to avoid the conundrum. They will be able to (and already are) using sensing systems that humans don't have and processing speeds are much faster than the human brain so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they see your squirrel long before you do and take action to avoid running over it on any road.

Most people won't want AI because most people think they are the best drivers in the world and everyone else is the problem :Wave:. Nor would people like that level of extra caution because it would slow them down. I experience that pretty much every week since I ride a bike and at least once a week I get cut off by someone who doesn't want to wait 1 second while the bike goes pass the right turn lane. I think fully automated systems will, in 20 or 30 years, save many more lives than the malfunctions might take. But it will take time both for development as well as acceptance. I'll probably be hit by someone needing to save that second before I get hit by a malfunctioning automated system :mad:
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
Rickenvox is in the wrong line of work. He should obviously be a driving instructor. Keep us safe out there, Rick!
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might not be a career boost, but I often wished I taught traffic safety classes in my area for some of our foreign born residents (not Mexicans, but a race that also has great cuisine and are good at math).

Having said all of that about safety, when I was in high school me and my little clique were all motocross racers. So we would hunt throughout our town for empty lots, back alleys, construction roads where we could get our cars airborne and imitate the tricks we did on motorcycles. I probably have more experience than anyone I know in landing a jump in a car, fishtailing at will countersteering both ways, jamming the emergency brake on a downhill in the rain and spinning the car in circles while maintaining a straight line down the hill. Thank god I lived. I now drive safely. All of my present risk taking is limited to bicycles and coming down winding mountain highways at 50 mph in the equivalent of underwear.
 
nuke_diver said:
No automated systems are not there....yet. They are growing exponentially. The big different between the best human driver and an automated one is that the automated one will never get tired, never have a lapse in concentration. It will take time for automated systems to get good enough to pilot a vehicle all the time without intervention. There are some ethical concerns as well, do you swerve to miss the baby stroller and head on another car? Run over a squirrel or not etc. I would however submit that if all cars were AI controlled that might not be a concern if the AI anticipated the possibility ahead of time and simple all the cars stop/slow down to avoid the conundrum. They will be able to (and already are) using sensing systems that humans don't have and processing speeds are much faster than the human brain so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they see your squirrel long before you do and take action to avoid running over it on any road.

Most people won't want AI because most people think they are the best drivers in the world and everyone else is the problem :Wave:. Nor would people like that level of extra caution because it would slow them down. I experience that pretty much every week since I ride a bike and at least once a week I get cut off by someone who doesn't want to wait 1 second while the bike goes pass the right turn lane. I think fully automated systems will, in 20 or 30 years, save many more lives than the malfunctions might take. But it will take time both for development as well as acceptance. I'll probably be hit by someone needing to save that second before I get hit by a malfunctioning automated system :mad:
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While I agree, my next thought is: "Hey, someday maybe we'll just make many large driverless vehicles that can carry many passengers and travel at specific time intervals on dedicated tracks, let's say, so that their direction is constant and not challenged by other individual smaller vehicles. We could call them 'mass transit' vehicles or 'metro rails'." Call me crazy, but I have a dream.
 
I’m depending on autonomous vehicles to work out, the sooner the better. Better some primitive AI than the texting idiots trying to kill me everyday on the roads now.

And eventually I’ll be too old to pilot a vehicle myself anyway. I’ll need a golf cart that tracks my golf ball and takes me right to it. And then later we hit the HEB for steaks and wine...maybe cruise for some hawt grannies...
 
Flatspotter said:
Keep in mind Tesla's Auto-pilot mode is not intended to make the car autonomous. The fact that the cars' owners treat it that way doesn't mean autonomous cars are bad. It means some Tesla owners are stupid.
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As they should be, Tesla's CEO is stupid.
 
They're just pushing them out too early. Judging the concept of self-driving cars by their current state is like judging a 60 year old for something they did when they were 12. I kind of understand why they put them on the road, as without proper real situation test results it's hard to progess, but honestly, the technology isn't there yet, especially not for self-driving cars to interact with human-driven cars.
 
tiger roach said:
I’m depending on autonomous vehicles to work out, the sooner the better. Better some primitive AI than the texting idiots trying to kill me everyday on the roads now.

And eventually I’ll be too old to pilot a vehicle myself anyway. I’ll need a golf cart that tracks my golf ball and takes me right to it. And then later we hit the HEB for steaks and wine...maybe cruise for some hawt grannies...
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Texting idiots have always been around. I remember in my early twenties I was coming back from camping and me and my buddy stopped to get gas at a conveinence store in a small town. I bought a sandwich and a 44 oz soda. After gassing up we hit the road and I had a sandwich in one hand a 44 oz soda between my legs and a ciggerette in the other hand BUT.......I was also driving a manual transmission so i was "in the moment" and aware.......
 
I'm with Bob on this one. I absolutely hate autonomous vehicles. I have to deal with them every day as I work in the heart of their testing grounds. Driving is a skill, and the fact that you only have to take one in car test in your life and are given a license is ludicrous. They really should require a Skip Barber type course to teach people how to actually control their car in the worst possible circumstances, and you should have to prove your abilities every 2 years or you get a state issued bus pass.

Trusting your life to computers is a ridiculous idea. Look how dependent people are on their phones, and what happens when a cell tower goes down. Can you imagine the chaos when the russians or the chinese decide to hack the Uber servers and either shut everyone down, or worse send every car connected into the guardrails? Fuck that.

My uncle has a country place, that no-one knows about
He says it used to be a farm, before the Motor Law
Sundays I elude the ‘Eyes’, and hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire, where my white-haired uncle waits

Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me an old machine –
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream

I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
Fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar!
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime…

Wind in my hair –
Shifting and drifting –
Mechanical music
Adrenalin surge –

Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware

Suddenly ahead of me, across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires, to run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley as another joins the chase

Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside…


Drive or die. Maybe both.
 
Flatspotter said:
Keep in mind Tesla's Auto-pilot mode is not intended to make the car autonomous. The fact that the cars' owners treat it that way doesn't mean autonomous cars are bad. It means some Tesla owners are stupid.
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Correct, this has nothing to do with autonomous vehicles, it's cruise control with hazard detection.
 
Fucking teenage robot lady foreign drivers!!!

Driving is man work and should only be done if you can assemble your own Cadillac with your penis using nothing but spare parts and legos while someone throws dodgeballs at you.
 
Autonomous cars is just one of the cogs in Skynet programming

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