More proof that autonomous vehicles are bad.

Peen Simmons said:
Fucking teenage robot lady foreign drivers!!!

Driving is man work and should only be done if you can assemble your own Cadillac with your penis using nothing but spare parts and legos while someone throws dodgeballs at you.
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Lifetime bus pass for you!
 
Computers can't get drunk, or tired, or distracted by their phones, or spill coffee on their lap. They can get unlucky, but when they do they can react in milliseconds. And when all the cars are talking to each other as they drive they will get unlucky a lot less often. And they can communicate traffic conditions to ease congestion. And they can drive at peak efficiency to reduce energy consumption and pollution. And they can be readily shared so car ownership (and parking) will be an unnecessary and expensive hobby for the enthusiast. A bit like collecting vintage guitars.

Software has bugs. But so do humans.

I can't wait.
 
pmc100 said:
Computers can't get drunk, or tired, or distracted by their phones, or spill coffee on their lap. They can get unlucky, but when they do they can react in milliseconds. And when all the cars are talking to each other as they drive they will get unlucky a lot less often. And they can communicate traffic conditions to ease congestion. And they can drive at peak efficiency to reduce energy consumption and pollution. And they can be readily shared so car ownership (and parking) will be an unnecessary and expensive hobby for the enthusiast. A bit like collecting vintage guitars.

Software has bugs. But so do humans.

I can't wait.
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If autonomous cars are too busy talking to each other, they'll miscommunicate and cause accidents! Think of the children! :trollface:
 
pmc100 said:
Computers can't get drunk, or tired, or distracted by their phones, or spill coffee on their lap. They can get unlucky, but when they do they can react in milliseconds. And when all the cars are talking to each other as they drive they will get unlucky a lot less often. And they can communicate traffic conditions to ease congestion. And they can drive at peak efficiency to reduce energy consumption and pollution. And they can be readily shared so car ownership (and parking) will be an unnecessary and expensive hobby for the enthusiast. A bit like collecting vintage guitars.

Software has bugs. But so do humans.

I can't wait.
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I work in the tech industry, and computers fuck up all the time. Maybe you are willing to sit idle and let a computer determine your fate, but not me. I have been driving 44 years without an accident, and I commute 100 miles round trip a day. Google maps can't even determine the best route that works IRL, and has many errors that they are unwilling or unable to address. I'll take my chances behind the wheel where I am in control, not an algorithm written by a 20 year old. YMMV.
 
Like a lot of things, I think this question has more to do with where you live. If one is urban, I suppose the autonomous transportation has more merit. Out in the sticks, such as where I live, I do not trust computers and satellites to safely navigate me over rocky, every changing backcountry dirt roads or mountain highways. But perhaps in the cities and burbs, the concept may have some merit.

But I think looking at autonomous vehicles that are occupied by one person, or maybe a couple, in a vacuum is not the answer. Transportation, particularly urban and suburban transportation, but also rural, should be looked at completely anew, and fresh ideas considered. The highway and freeway system, particularly in the west, created a society that drives 2 blocks to do anything, and that lives often 45 minutes to an hour and a half away from their work place. That exists and has to be dealt with. I guess with public transportation, buses, trains, maybe autonomous cars, maybe autonomous cars that are public and shared like the bikes my family was just riding in San Diego that you rent for a bit. Or some other things like that I can't think about yet.
 
335clone said:
Sure. Autonomous bus is state of the art. Schedule delays are built in. Not compatible with other offers, some restrictions may apply.
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BART is frickin' expensive, my wife tells me after a recent trip. Not sure if this is true, or what the context was. Anyway, cheap, clean public transportation hopefully can built into our cities as they continue to grow. Hopefully in new good ways that reduce traffic and pollution. But that would be making sense and viewing transportation as a public good or sort of commons. Based on the efforts in Seattle for getting light rail going, and the backlash about that, and also, very surprisingly for me, backlash regarding bike lanes in Seattle, not sure that is the mood of the country, even in Blue/green states.
 
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sunvalleylaw said:
BART is frickin' expensive, my wife tells me after a recent trip.
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Expensive, dirty and sometimes dangerous. Cal Train is better, but doesn't go around the bay. Also, 'rapid' is far from accurate.

Most people get a Clipper Card, so they don't have to be cognizant of how expensive it really is on a daily basis.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
I found BART about as expensive as the NYC transit system. :shrug:
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Yeah, I amended my post to say I was not sure about the context of that statement. After I posted that, I looked at a schedule and fare sheet. Didn't look so bad to me. So more of that stuff. And light rail, subways, whatever. We need more of that even more than autonomous personal vehicles that will still be occupied most of the time by one or maybe two people. And maybe we do need some autonomous covered carts of some kind you can rent like a bike share bicycle, and plug in addresses and get there. But that should be further down the road. IMO.
 
pmc100 said:
Computers can't get drunk, or tired, or distracted by their phones, or spill coffee on their lap. They can get unlucky, but when they do they can react in milliseconds. And when all the cars are talking to each other as they drive they will get unlucky a lot less often. And they can communicate traffic conditions to ease congestion. And they can drive at peak efficiency to reduce energy consumption and pollution. And they can be readily shared so car ownership (and parking) will be an unnecessary and expensive hobby for the enthusiast. A bit like collecting vintage guitars.

Software has bugs. But so do humans.

I can't wait.
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computer chips fail. Not on your desktop at home, but when put into things that are constantly vibrating and absorbing shock. And then they can be hacked. Gee, teenagers are taking assault rifles into schools and committing mass murders, but they'll never hack into cars and make them crash.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Yeah, I amended my post to say I was not sure about the context of that statement. After I posted that, I looked at a schedule and fare sheet. Didn't look so bad to me. So more of that stuff. And light rail, subways, whatever. We need more of that even more than autonomous personal vehicles that will still be occupied most of the time by one or maybe two people. And maybe we do need some autonomous covered carts of some kind you can rent like a bike share bicycle, and plug in addresses and get there. But that should be further down the road. IMO.
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You won't hear any argument from me. I'm all in favor of expanded transit systems, in whatever form they take. I'm also in favor of bike shares, expanding bike lanes, and making suburbia more walkable.
 
rickenvox said:
computer chips fail. Not on your desktop at home, but when put into things that are constantly vibrating and absorbing shock. And then they can be hacked. Gee, teenagers are taking assault rifles into schools and committing mass murders, but they'll never hack into cars and make them crash.
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Everyone wrap yourself in bubble wrap!
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
You won't hear any argument from me. I'm all in favor of expanded transit systems, in whatever form they take. I'm also in favor of bike shares, expanding bike lanes, and making suburbia more walkable.
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This is a man who cannot build a 57 Chevy with his penis while driving a manual transmission.

Sad.
 
Peen Simmons said:
Everyone wrap yourself in bubble wrap!
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Way ahead of you.

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Peen Simmons said:
Everyone wrap yourself in bubble wrap!
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or continue living the way we have been (??). Where is the government testing of driverless cars? Why is this some unregulated new frontier? I am firmly confident that enough additional deaths will occur with driverless cars that the lawsuits will flow and government will step in. Be skeptical, just don't forget I said it when it happens.
 
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