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So, can anyone explain to me what is better about Brexit? I am just a dumb yank and I don't get it.
In the eu we have a standerdised trading relationship with all other member countries. Unfortunately this specifically precludes us from making trade agreements of our own with anybody else . Some people thought this unreasonable.

We have a commitment to pay a subscription into the eu. From this we get a partial rebate and the eu funds some uk projects, of their choosing. The net loss to the uk on these subs is 10 billion per year.

The European court has priority over our own supreme court, they can overule us. They can also set some tax thresholds and say where we must apply them.

Free movement of labour means we cant refuse entry to any of the 500 million european members, or deny them full uk rights and benefits. Some people want to control the number to manageable quotas so we can manage social housing, school numbers, health care and other social infrastructures. ( Outside a few right wing groups nobody has called for a halt to migration or called for repatriation.) The eu wont allow this.

Throughout the european community, by country, roughly 45/50% are unhappy with the status quo. Very close to the uk split. In the uk even those voting to remain admit it needs reform. It would take very little for the eu to tweak the rules and make 80% of the people happy, job done. They refuse to reform or review. Economies are struggling, france and spain have 50% youth unemployment, people in greece are starving. Still the eu rumbles down the same track.
Most uk people would welcome a reformed, functional Europe which recognised sovereignty. We tried, they again refused so we voted and marginally left. We will not be the only country to do so, if they dont reform.
Taking the brexit veiw apparently means youre a racist idiot. All 17.5 million who voted for it.
It has divided the nation, and some families. There are stupid bigots on both sides, as I am sure you will see when they respond to this post.
 
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In the eu we have a standerdised trading relationship with all other member countries. Unfortunately this specifically precludes us from making trade agreements of our own with anybody else . Some people thought this unreasonable.

We have a commitment to pay a subscription into the eu. From this we get a partial rebate and the eu funds some uk projects, of their choosing. The net loss to the uk on these subs is 10 billion per year.

The European court has priority over our own supreme court, they can overule us. They can also set some tax thresholds and say where we must apply them.

Free movement of labour means we cant refuse entry to any of the 500 million european members, or deny them full uk rights and benefits. Some people want to control the number to manageable quotas so we can manage social housing, school numbers, health care and other social infrastructures. ( Outside a few right wing groups nobody has called for a halt to migration or called for repatriation.) The eu wont allow this.

Throughout the european community, by country, roughly 45/50% are unhappy with the status quo. Very close to the uk split. In the uk even those voting to remain admit it needs reform. It would take very little for the eu to tweak the rules and make 80% of the people happy, job done. They refuse to reform or review. Economies are struggling, france and spain have 50% youth unemployment, people in greece are starving. Still the eu rumbles down the same track.
Most uk people would welcome a reformed, functional Europe which recognised sovereignty. We tried, they again refused so we voted and marginally left. We will not be the only country to do so, if they dont reform.
Taking the brexit veiw apparently means youre a racist idiot. All 17.5 million who voted for it.
It has divided the nation, and some families. There are stupid bigots on both sides, as I am sure you will see when they respond to this post.
Thank you for your explanation.
 
My pleasure. Thanks for the interest. Its a real mess, constitutionally and emotionally. Far too complex an issue for a referendum.
That seems obvious. I am glad to understand at least one person's reasoning. Not sure that I agree it was the right move, but I do understand there were problems to work out with the EU, and that people were not seeing much progress. Hopefully, things will stabilize and something that makes sense can occur in the end.
 
That seems obvious. I am glad to understand at least one person's reasoning. Not sure that I agree it was the right move, but I do understand there were problems to work out with the EU, and that people were not seeing much progress. Hopefully, things will stabilize and something that makes sense can occur in the end.

Part of the unhappiness about the EU is country's own fault, national governments are very eager to take credit for the positive outcomes of EU policy and blame all negative effects on the EU. That really skews the view a lot of the general public has on the EU. Also news outlets aren't that into reporting about what's going in the EU since a lot of the stuff going on there is quite boring.

If people think the EU has to change they should turn up to the elections. In the UK only 35% turned up, EU wide it's been under 50% for over 15 years now.
 
Part of the unhappiness about the EU is country's own fault, national governments are very eager to take credit for the positive outcomes of EU policy and blame all negative effects on the EU. That really skews the view a lot of the general public has on the EU. Also news outlets aren't that into reporting about what's going in the EU since a lot of the stuff going on there is quite boring.

If people think the EU has to change they should turn up to the elections. In the UK only 35% turned up, EU wide it's been under 50% for over 15 years now.
Thanks for that additional input. Certainly the UK has played its role. And I really question whether pulling the eject button was the best choice to address the perceived issues. A lot of people will get hurt in the process, or so it looks.
 
Brutal. I'm one of very few Scots who want England to do well and this is brutal.

Glad every cunt is mellower than a dido album out here or they'd be ransacking and smashing the resort up :grin:
 
If England was a proper country I guess I'd be English, but I only support football teams in blue and England is on my personal naughty step at the moment, so the last 20 minutes of that was balm to my soul.
 
Well if players like Rooney start putting every free kick into the 3rd ring of the stadium there's not a whole lot the coach can do :embarrassed:

Rooney's pretty much finished as a good player.

That said, Roy really is a pathetically poor manager and lost England the game well before it got properly started.
Even Allardyce could do better than that.
 
Rooney's pretty much finished as a good player.

That said, Roy really is a pathetically poor manager and lost England the game well before it got properly started.
Even Allardyce could do better than that.
I haven't seen this last match (yet) but watching a couple of others with England, I noticed that if you watch Rooney when he doesn't have the ball, he always goes to the right spot, he sees where the defenders are and is always in a good spot to receive the ball. I've noticed other players don't seem to do this nearly as often.

Mind you, I'm not a Rooney fan and I hate ManU, but this guy puts himself in a position to make a good play more-so than other players.
 
I haven't seen this last match (yet) but watching a couple of others with England, I noticed that if you watch Rooney when he doesn't have the ball, he always goes to the right spot, he sees where the defenders are and is always in a good spot to receive the ball. I've noticed other players don't seem to do this nearly as often.

Mind you, I'm not a Rooney fan and I hate ManU, but this guy puts himself in a position to make a good play more-so than other players.

He wasn't last night. None of the England team were.

Come on Wales!
 
Im not a fan of football but I did watch the England game last night.

Jesus, how embarrassing.

I shall now be switching my allegiance to Wales Dude00
 
Even though the Dutch are quite dire at the moment, the fact that Iceland beat us twice and finished top of the qualifying group which included Holland, the Czech Republic and Turkey should already been a warning.

It annoys me to no end that all the media is talking how England blew it. Nobody gives much credit to Iceland
 
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