OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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I find the obsession with Reagan so very bizarre. I don't quite understand why the republicans have a hard on for the guy, and to the point where they have elevated him to some sort of deity. He was more liberal than the lot of them.
 
I find the obsession with Reagan so very bizarre. I don't quite understand why the republicans have a hard on for the guy, and to the point where they have elevated him to some sort of deity. He was more liberal than the lot of them.

he's "the gipper". there are a number of reasons. one would be the iran hostage problem. jimmy carter "negotiated" with iran (through intermediaries) for over a year and got NOWHERE. when reagan won the election he was asked in a press conference (i watched it) what he would do if iran didn't release the hostages....he said "i will bomb them back to the stoneage". apparently iran believed him because they released the hostages on the day he was sworn in. that is one thing that the GOP has made him a god over.
 
he's "the gipper". there are a number of reasons. one would be the iran hostage problem. jimmy carter "negotiated" with iran (through intermediaries) for over a year and got NOWHERE. when reagan won the election he was asked in a press conference (i watched it) what he would do if iran didn't release the hostages....he said "i will bomb them back to the stoneage". apparently iran believed him because they released the hostages on the day he was sworn in. that is one thing that the GOP has made him a god over.

That's one way to look at it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory
 
I find the obsession with Reagan so very bizarre. I don't quite understand why the republicans have a hard on for the guy, and to the point where they have elevated him to some sort of deity. He was more liberal than the lot of them.

Because they had to invent a mythology to get him elected in the first place. He wasn’t especially conservative, or bright, or good with numbers. He was just an angry old man who hated commies and taxes and delivered a well-written speech like it was a superpower. And keeping the Reagan myth alive provides a foundation for the GOP’s culture of willful ignorance.
 
maybe or maybe not. but i watched the press conference where he said that, and it was around the end of november. perhaps iran was convinced that he would do it and agreed to some sort of orchestrated release. in any event.....the gop has cannonized him ever since.
Read up on the founding of The Ronald Reagan Legacy Foundation.

They purposely created a foundation to promote his name as a conservative icon, name warships, airports etc....
 
Im aware of all this. I'm saying that the reps were the "liberals" before the civil rights movement as is well documented. I'm sure you knew that though, they would spit in his and Eisenhower's face these days. Probably Reagan too, though they idolize him. 75 % of the neocons that idolize him probably only know that he bombed Qaddafi, and if you asked them if we should do it next week would answer a sound yes, although he's long dead.

This is true in many ways, but I think it's a little over-simplistic. The Republican shift from liberal to conservative and the Democratic shift from conservative to liberal certainly ended with the era of Johnson and Goldwater, but that was just the final nail in something that had been coming for decades. See: FDR.
 
Where I live, Joe is on disability and hates all the coloreds and Mexicans for taking away his job that he no longer will do. You can find Joe playing in the adult softball league, teaching youth karate, driving around in his confederate flag adorned bro truck, or out fishing on his tax payer subsidized boat. He hates you because you are not a real American.

Wow, Switzerland sure has changed.:embarrassed:
 
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Dude from high school upset about ACA and government mandates....

I'm very surprised that when one of my more left leaning friends makes a post I don't agree with and I comment but it gets deleted because I disagree. that kinda disturbs me. All I did was ask a question that has no answer. I wanted to see if I missed something. We all feel passionate about the issues but true ignorance is not considering the other side. It is a sad commentary to the state of things. Don't put political leaning stuff out there if all you're doing is propagandizing. So let me just ask the question now... Where in the constitution does it state the government has the power to make you buy insurance from a private company? I'd love to hear specifically. If you comment, just stick to this one question. Let's see what we get. Thanks... And no. Not tagging anyone either....

Tiltsta's response....

The Supreme Court has ruled that the mandate to purchase insurance is, in essence, a tax on those who fail to do so, which falls under the constitutionally designated power of Congress to create taxes. Like damn near everything, it isn't expressed in precise terms in the Constitution, so it is up to the Court to decide if it is within the legal boundaries of the Constitution. Whether or not one agrees with it, the Court has decided it is legal to levy this type of tax on mandates related to insurance. There are many pages of interpretations of this decision, and if it is or is not a trampling of the essence of the Constitution all over the web, most of which have clear political bias to them. The original decisions provide an interesting overview of the Court on taxation, fines, and the lack of applicability of mandates to the commerce clauses of the Constitution. Worth a read if you are interested in this kind of thing. I think the 'tax' decision was largely based on the fact that the government requests that you buy insurance and taxes those that do not. Once you have paid the tax, there is nothing else the government can do to you. It is an interesting take on things.
 
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High school dude is currently having it out with another guy from high school that is a very successful lawyer.

I love how people who profess a love of the Constitution can willfully ignore the decisions of the constitutionality of a law by the Supreme Court....which is strictly acting in a manner dictated in the Constitution. Just because you don't like a decision doesn't mean you can ignore it and hide behind your fluid interpretation of your laminated pocket Constitution.
 
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i don't know about forever. Teddy was on the right side of most things. he was FOR pasturized milk for kids because it was safer. he was FOR national parks/monuments. he was FOR taking down monoplies and millionaires. he was FOR a 40 work week.

i don't know when shit went in the dumper, or whether he was a gigantic anomoly.
I didn't say Republicans; I said conservatives.
 
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My son took this on the way to school today. We had a conversation about this guys confederate flag. When we stopped at the light I almost asked him how he was going to enjoy having no health insurance next year but the kids were in the car.
 
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My son took this on the way to school today. We had a conversation about this guys confederate flag. When we stopped at the light I almost asked him how he was going to enjoy having no health insurance next year but the kids were in the car.

What better way is there to show respect for the flag than flying it in the back of a junky old truck full of dirty work tools?
 
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