NFL 2017-18 Thread

frunobulax said:
I'll go out on a limb and submit that it's simply more Pats hate.
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That's usually a safe bet, but sprotsball media have been fluffing the Reception Controversy for about five years. If I had a dollar for every time somebody who is paid to know better said "nobody knows what a catch is anyone," I'd have several dollars.
 
Admitting simple Pats hate doesn't bridge to ad revenue. And as a Patriots fan with some complicated mixed feelings about my team (Kraft's love of Trump/conservatism; Spygate; Belichick's hostility to ... everyone ... are bad) (Belichick's ID as Dem; the SB wins; the incredible levels of bullshit around Deflategate which they countered by fucking winning the SB with a great comeback are all good) I get the hate. Honestly, not a hugely likable team in many ways.

But the never-ending double- and triple-standards, combined with the Uncle Phineas T. Bluster toanz of the haters doesn't irritate me as a Pats fan (hell, it's satisfying), it irritates me as a sports fan who likes smart discussion about Sports. So when Skip what's-his-face goes on a ten-minute ball-washing of Brady, I hate it just as much as the tools who burble about football PSI and "Da Cheatriots."

It's not the hate, it's the stupidity.

The embodiment of the dumbing down of sports is Murica's reaction to players standing up for --- wait for it -- human rights by taking a knee during the national anthem. We had players making a non-violent statement against violence, and what did it get? A nation's panties in a bunch.

That's pathetically fucked up, and shameful.

An outgrowth of this is people who don't complain about rules and/or their interpretation until something occurs that makes them unhappy. The implicit statement is "I like rules until they don't work in my favor." Which means you have zero respect for the concept of having rules. Which, you know ... it's hard to get past.
 
Neatly making my point for me:

"Bills owner Terry Pegula questioned the lack of consistency in NFL replay rulings and said the issue needs to be addressed after Buffalo receiver Kelvin Benjamin’s touchdown was overruled in a loss to New England last weekend.

‘‘I don’t know what’s going on, but we have to fix it,’’ Pegula said Tuesday."

The sad thing is, I do think that Benjamin had a TD. It was a bad call, although I can see it both ways. But the whole Villagers With Pitchforks really needs to leave the national sports debate ASAP. Here are some things the Bills may wish to reflect upon more than their lost TD:

- Why they were unable to move or score during the second half
- Tyrod Taylor's woeful inaccuracy and decision-making (courteously but repeatedly singled out by Tony Romo)
- Inability to cover Gronkowski (welcome to the NFL)
- Very poor line play on D in the 2nd half

Instead, we have to fix something we don't understand. Funny, I don't remember him saying shit when there was enough inconsistency about rule enforcement that cost the Pats their first round draft pick.

Nah. That's Murica - we wants what we wants cuz we wants it! Just makes the games so much less enjoyable.
 
Danhedonia said:
Nah. That's Murica - we wants what we wants cuz we wants it! Just makes the games so much less enjoyable.
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Agreed. and if you don't get the call you want, let's for the love of Pete ('s wicked ale) move the f*ck on. It gets very annoying to have the color commentary bogged down in crap like this.
 
ermghoti said:
If only somebody had posted the rule repeatedly in this thread, and you could read it, and then know why that would be a catch.



That's mostly because you habe no idea what the rule is, and what the consequences of changing it are.



It does. "Control" needs a definition. That definition is in the rule you aren't reading.



Since that's exactly what occured, that the ball bounced out of his hands as it contacted the ground before he completed the catch, I am more confused than ever what your complaint is here. Do you want to institute a timer to be referred to on all pass plays?



What he did was put his hands on the ball, and drop it when it hit the ground as he fell.



I said in maybe my first post in this thread that there is no logical definition of a catch, it's a construct, within the context of a game. The rules are the only thing that matter, with a secondary conern being whatever has traditionally been the manner in which the game were played. On that topic, for the first 100 years of the game, that would have been incomplete simply because the ball touched the ground. Your continued insistence that there is an objective Platonic ideal of "catch" that exists outside the NFL rules and can be applied to this play undermines your claims that you're applying logic.



I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you have no idea what the history of that rule is, either.
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You are hilarious...maybe not in real life and maybe not to others but to me, you are.

You can assume that I haven't read the rules. That's up to you.

I am saying that the rules are stupid. The way that any human would say whether or not a person caught an apple falling off of a table would be guided by logic. I say that the NFL rules aren't logical as applied to the specific situation. The end.

It is clear to any athlete or anyone who knows what a catch is, that that was a catch with control as long as you are using logic as the parameter.

If you want to continue pounding the keystrokes to 'prove' your point, then that's up to you too.

Argue on the internet much?
 
smorgdonkey said:
You are hilarious...maybe not in real life and maybe not to others but to me, you are.

You can assume that I haven't read the rules. That's up to you.

I am saying that the rules are stupid. The way that any human would say whether or not a person caught an apple falling off of a table would be guided by logic. I say that the NFL rules aren't logical as applied to the specific situation. The end.

It is clear to any athlete or anyone who knows what a catch is, that that was a catch with control as long as you are using logic as the parameter.

If you want to continue pounding the keystrokes to 'prove' your point, then that's up to you too.

Argue on the internet much?
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The only logical definition of a catch is to take possession incontrovertibly. Logically, the only way to do this is for the player to secure the ball in such a manner that he is able to hand it to a referee. This is the only logical answer, which I know because I used logic to logic it. I will further prove the logicosity of my logicing by typing "logical" in allcaps. LOGICAL. There, now that we can all logically agree in may logication, we can move on to other logicating.
 
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Bears won last week against the Browns. o_O Checked the 18 draft order last week, Bears were 5th in line, now they are 9th. :cry: Fortunately, they play the Vikings today. party0009
 
Saying "the rules are stupid" -- only upon the occasion of experiencing personal disappointment when they are appropriately applied - is my idea of a definition of "sour grapes."

You could suggest an alternative, but the reality is that a lot of very experienced NFL people carefully wrote those rules, and I don't have a problem with them. Even when they disappoint me.
 
Er... perhaps you don't recall that I am one of the Patriots fans here. That's ok.
It isn't sour anything other than when you see a catch, it should be a catch. The fact that the rules are such that it wasn't a catch is stupid.

I can't stand the Steelers.

So, if you are talking about me, you are wrong. That's ok too.

I have been watching hockey.
 
VoidTerraFirma said:
The Kirk Cousins era has mercifully ended. Good luck, Kirk.
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We have our QB, at least for a while maybe. People that think they know what is what think our coach and or GM getting fired. What I want to know is, if Black Monday falls on a holiday like this year, do they wait till Black Tuesday?
 
Seahawks. Not quite enough. And wouldn't have mattered for playoff purposes anyway, as Atlanta won. Well, GO SEAHAWKS next season!
 
Wow, didn't see that coming. Apparently Del Rio lost the team. Looks like Chucky time in Oakland again. Everybody into the wayback machine.
 
Bob411 said:
We have our QB, at least for a while maybe. People that think they know what is what think our coach and or GM getting fired. What I want to know is, if Black Monday falls on a holiday like this year, do they wait till Black Tuesday?
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Guess that answers that question. Death does not take a holiday. Fox is gone. Hope Josh McDaniels gets hired somewhere else, not Chicago.
 
Good riddance, John Fox. You’re doing gravelly unless coach speak in Hell now as Satan’s in-game clock manager.
 
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