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No.
Been there done that.
My employer drug tests
I sometimes have to drive bus at work. Would you want your bus driver to have it in his system?
One of the Five Precepts is to refrain from intoxicants, so no alcohol or drugs.
 
miguel said:
Many contained sizeable amounts cocaine.
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True story.

The past was awesome. And everybody back then knew how awesome they were and wouldn't shut the fuck up about it and they had like a million great ideas every minute. And if you didn't like it, then Chester A. Arthur could just suck my fucking dick. WOO!
 
Lerxst said:
I did a quick online search and found mostly contradictory information to those points. It is notable that usage in the 18-24 yr old demographic has risen but usage in the under 18 demographic has decreased or remains unchanged by most accounts.
w/r/t #3, the number of people seeking treatment is relatively unchanged but the consumption frequency among those seeking treatment is higher.

Hospitalizations for mj related conditions has risen though

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/colorado-s-teen-marijuana-usage-dips-after-legalization/
http://cdpsdocs.state.co.us/ors/docs/reports/2016-SB13-283-Rpt.pdf
Tthis is a summary of the report:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/colorado-marijuana-legalization-report-001321532.html

Do you have more recent links? This is a topic that's on the news here rather frequently and the info above jives with much of what I see reported.
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I haven't read any of your links but immediate thought on the alleged teen usage reduction would simply be that teens don't wanna do what their parents do. Weed had that more edgy rebellious quality to it, the 'counter culture" aspect because it was illegal. Take that away and the teens might look for something else.
 
Lerxst said:
I did a quick online search and found mostly contradictory information to those points. It is notable that usage in the 18-24 yr old demographic has risen but usage in the under 18 demographic has decreased or remains unchanged by most accounts.
w/r/t #3, the number of people seeking treatment is relatively unchanged but the consumption frequency among those seeking treatment is higher.

Hospitalizations for mj related conditions has risen though

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/colorado-s-teen-marijuana-usage-dips-after-legalization/
http://cdpsdocs.state.co.us/ors/docs/reports/2016-SB13-283-Rpt.pdf
Tthis is a summary of the report:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/colorado-marijuana-legalization-report-001321532.html

Do you have more recent links? This is a topic that's on the news here rather frequently and the info above jives with much of what I see reported.
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My info on the increase in minor usage is not from an article but from multiple teachers in multiple schools. I trust that info more (first hand) than what the news or the state might report. It could also be that those using under the age of 18 are just using more. I don't know. I just know what they tell me they see at the schools every day.
 
Denverdave said:
My info on the increase in minor usage is not from an article but from multiple teachers in multiple schools. I trust that info more (first hand) than what the news or the state might report. It could also be that those using under the age of 18 are just using more. I don't know. I just know what they tell me they see at the schools every day.
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That's interesting. One would think that with a regulated substance, that it would be harder to obtain illegally. That just illustrates how easy it is for real-life to diverge from the predicted, logical path. I wonder how many growers taking advantage of the law to grow legally, but bypass the system (and taxes) to sell illegally for higher profit margins.
 
Denverdave said:
My info on the increase in minor usage is not from an article but from multiple teachers in multiple schools. I trust that info more (first hand) than what the news or the state might report. It could also be that those using under the age of 18 are just using more. I don't know. I just know what they tell me they see at the schools every day.
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I was thinking about this earlier. My thoughts are there isn't an increase in use but maybe with it being legal, kids are not as afraid to use it openly. Kinda like when Trump was elected, he didn't increase the number of racists, racists just felt like they can be open now. I remember back in high school, you'd go to a party and walk around with your beer in front of everyone, but when it was time to get high, you'd grab your friends and sneak off somewhere to do it. While beer was not legal for high school students, it was legal, so there wasn't a feeling that you needed to hide it where as pot was illegal for everyone, so you needed to be careful on who saw you with it. So when you are more open with it, you'll end up getting caught more often.
 
shoeless said:
That's interesting. One would think that with a regulated substance, that it would be harder to obtain illegally. That just illustrates how easy it is for real-life to diverge from the predicted, logical path. I wonder how many growers taking advantage of the law to grow legally, but bypass the system (and taxes) to sell illegally for higher profit margins.
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That is one place they should really up the penalties and it would really piss me off. You have it out there legally now, and you want to skate the system to make a few extra bucks.
 
shoeless said:
That's interesting. One would think that with a regulated substance, that it would be harder to obtain illegally. That just illustrates how easy it is for real-life to diverge from the predicted, logical path. I wonder how many growers taking advantage of the law to grow legally, but bypass the system (and taxes) to sell illegally for higher profit margins.
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The state law does allow you to grow your own plants, but in a very limited amount. I believe it is something like 3 or 4 plants per adult (over 21) in the household. That could be a reason for the increase in supply if their families of friends are growing them and they are selling to the friends without there own supply chain.
 
Chad said:
That is one place they should really up the penalties and it would really piss me off. You have it out there legally now, and you want to skate the system to make a few extra bucks.
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I believe I read in a article that the educated estimates were that only about 25% of the weed being sold in the state was under the table. While it is legal it is also taxed and not cheap. Though the only time I have been in a dispensary here, visiting with a friend who was stocking up, the prices seemed to be fairly reasonable if you were a casual user.
 
Even with the taxes the prices are VERY reasonable and you know exactly what you're getting, rather than having to go through intermediaries and friends of friends to hope you get what they're offering, if they even have any selection to choose from at all. If I was trying to buy locally vs. from a dispensary, I'd be saving money on the taxed version.
 
shoeless said:
That's interesting. One would think that with a regulated substance, that it would be harder to obtain illegally. That just illustrates how easy it is for real-life to diverge from the predicted, logical path. I wonder how many growers taking advantage of the law to grow legally, but bypass the system (and taxes) to sell illegally for higher profit margins.
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The problem is that the tax is super high and it's still much cheaper to get it the old fashioned way.
 
reverend1 said:
The problem is that the tax is super high and it's still much cheaper to get it the old fashioned way.
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Fat Tony: Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
Bart: No.
Fat Tony: Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?
Bart: Uh uh.
Fat Tony: And, what if your family don't like bread? They like... cigarettes?
Bart: I guess that's okay.
Fat Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?
 
reverend1 said:
The problem is that the tax is super high and it's still much cheaper to get it the old fashioned way.
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Honestly, even if the taxes are high, I would still rather be able to legally buy it and not get busted for having it. That may be just me, but with having kids, being arrested for having some pot is far worse than having to pay a tax on it. Maybe it also differs by state, but my brother in law says it is about the same price to legally buy it in CA than it is to buy it illegally in VA. That and the quality in CA is way better.
 
335clone said:
Wrong on that Gary. Please discuss medicinal alcohol, cuz that is a thing, right?

Don't wish to start an argument, and I know it is your business, but placing pot and booze in the same category is bullshit.

Not saying pot can't be abused, but it clearly has medicinal properties, which cannot be claimed about alcohol.
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Studies have shown that moderate consumption of red wine can reduce the risk of heart disease and lower cholesterol.
 
Chad said:
Honestly, even if the taxes are high, I would still rather be able to legally buy it and not get busted for having it. That may be just me, but with having kids, being arrested for having some pot is far worse than having to pay a tax on it. Maybe it also differs by state, but my brother in law says it is about the same price to legally buy it in CA than it is to buy it illegally in VA. That and the quality in CA
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Well I was pointing out why there is still a black market even though it is legal.

I'm not sure about other states, but in Michigan there is no way for them to tell were you purchased. I know plenty of folks who buy from the growers that supply the dispensary directly and save half of what they would pay at retail for the same product.

I can tell you I wouldn't pay retail. Since possession is legal, I don't think there is much they can do to prove we're you bought it. You are allowed to grow you own
 
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