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Chad said:
I don't see how that is any scarier than giving complete control to insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and medical centers who are trying to make a profit off your illness.
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Both are scary. I think my comment is based on the behind the scenes fear that once the government does take control, if it doesn't work out we don't get it back. Probably irrational and cynical but goes back to that lack of confidence in the current political climate where everything is about our team winning instead of leading a country of, for, and by the people. Like passing legislation but having to add damaging concessions hidden inside so the other party will give you the votes. But yeah, as a wise man named Howard once said, fuck insurance companies.
 
United States law already prohibits the use of American taxpayer dollars to be used for abortion services anywhere, including in countries where abortion is legal. But this order, known by critics as the global gag rule, takes it further. It freezes United States funding to health care providers in poor countries if they include abortion counseling or if they advocate the right to seek abortion in their countries.

Coming as one of Mr. Trump’s first orders, it was likely to please the anti-abortion lobby at home. But critics say it also symbolizes the new administration’s defiance of the women’s reproductive rights movement, an important force in the weekend protest marches in Washington and other cities that followed Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

Trump Revives Reagan-Era Ban on Use of Foreign Aid for Abortion Counseling
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/world/trump-ban-foreign-aid-abortions.html?_r=0

#priorities
 
Lerxst said:
United States law already prohibits the use of American taxpayer dollars to be used for abortion services anywhere, including in countries where abortion is legal. But this order, known by critics as the global gag rule, takes it further. It freezes United States funding to health care providers in poor countries if they include abortion counseling or if they advocate the right to seek abortion in their countries.

Coming as one of Mr. Trump’s first orders, it was likely to please the anti-abortion lobby at home. But critics say it also symbolizes the new administration’s defiance of the women’s reproductive rights movement, an important force in the weekend protest marches in Washington and other cities that followed Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

Trump Revives Reagan-Era Ban on Use of Foreign Aid for Abortion Counseling
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/world/trump-ban-foreign-aid-abortions.html?_r=0

#priorities
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Wasn't this also a policy of W?
 
I am sure that someone has mentioned this already but...they don't care if the medical insurance works or not. They don't care if a person can barely afford $100 per month yet has to pay a $4000 deductible in a health crisis. They don't care. The system is set up to partially appease some people and have the rhetoric of the leaders keep the people arguing about what would be better. Until the people in the USA get their 2nd amendment stuff together and overthrow the people who stole their freedom (their 'leaders') then it will keep going on and the two sides will continue to become more polarized (if you can imagine 'more'). This isn't just about insurance, but about being slaves to banks and big business, rights when rights really matters and the foul taste of (false) freedom, etc.

I am no Trump supporter. He's a whacko. Hillary may or may not be a whacko but she's an elite squillionaire like Trump and the thing that Trump has over the Hillary camp is this: He's obviously a person who doesn't care what people think so...along the lines of racism (everyone calls Trump a racist): the last (how many?) years of USA administrations have been sending soldiers overseas to kill people due to interests of a political/financial/commodity nature. He did say that he'd nuke ISIS but will he actually do that or pull out of the ridiculous military BS that the USA has been involved in? The point is...it seems like a bunch of people are offended that this guy may have some racist attitudes but his predecessors have been KILLING a bunch of non-whites for decades. I'd rather be called a "x" than be killed for oil (or whatever).
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
Wasn't this also a policy of W?
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St. Ron up through President Obama's repeal when he took office.

IIRC the irony here is that the WHO estimates that abortion rates increase due to this as a result of the unintended consequence that it seems to haves an impact on all family planning counseling.

edit: correction, it was also repealed by Clinton then restored by GWB
 
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Help!I'maRock! said:
It shouldn't be an either or proposition. You shouldn't be called "x" or killed for oil (or whatever).
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I completely agree but it seems to me that one is of an exponentially higher degree of intensity than the other.
If the oil was in England, would they have invaded and gone to war with white Brits and lied about W.O.M.D.?

Killing a bunch of non-white people over lies seems substantially more racist than what I have seen of Trump so far. Snoop Dog was invited to his roast panel a couple of years ago...wtf?
 
smorgdonkey said:
I completely agree but it seems to me that one is of an exponentially higher degree of intensity than the other.
If the oil was in England, would they have invaded and gone to war with white Brits and lied about W.O.M.D.?

Killing a bunch of non-white people over lies seems substantially more racist than what I have seen of Trump so far. Snoop Dog was invited to his roast panel a couple of years ago...wtf?
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In one instance, you're being killed now. In the other, your children will hold signs in their adulthood that say "I can't believe I still have to protest this shit".

If the oil was in England, there would have been an American occupation during WWII and we would still be there.

 
Obviously a little different than occupation. But America doesn't like to leave the party.

USAF bases in the United Kingdom
  • RAF Alconbury (USAFE)
    • 7560th Air Base Group (ABG) (1953–1959)
    • 10th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing /Tactical Fighter Wing (1959–1994)
    • 423d Air Base Group (1995– )
  • RAF Barford St John
    • Detachment 1, 2130th Communications Squadron (AFCS) (1960-1992)
    • 422d ABG (1993– )
  • RAF Bentwaters/RAF Woodbridge (USAFE) *
    • 79th Fighter Squadron (FS) (1952–1970) (RAF Woodbridge)
    • 81st Tactical Fighter Wing (TFW) (1951–1993)
      (RAF Bentwaters to 1958, Bentwaters/Woodbridge to 1993)
  • RAF Burtonwood (Air Materiel Command) *
    • 59th Air Depot Wing (1948–1965)
  • RAF Blenheim Crescent (EOARDS/USAFE)
    • 422d Air Base Group (2007– )
  • RAF Chelveston (SAC/USAFE) *
    • SAC Reflex Base (1952–1959)
    • 42d Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron/10th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing (1959–1962)
  • RAF Chicksands (USAFSS) *
    • 10th Radio Sq (1950–1951)
    • 7534th Air Base Squadron (ABS) (1951–58)
    • 6950th Radio/Security Gp (1958–1978)
    • 7274th Air Base Group (1978–1993)
  • RAF Croughton (USAFE)
    • 1969th Communications Squadron (CS) (1950–1955)
    • 1230th Airways and Air Communications
      Service Squadron (AACS) (1955–1961)
    • 2130th Communications Squadron (1961–1971, 1983–1986)
    • 2130th Communications Group (1971–1980, 1986–1993)
    • 2168th Communications Squadron (1980–1983)
    • 630th Communications Squadron (1993–1994)
    • 603d Communications Squadron (1994–1996)
    • 422d Air Base Squadron (1996–2005)
    • 422d Air Base Group (2005– )
  • RAF Fairford (SAC/USAFE)
    • 7507th Air Base Group (1950–1952)
    • 3919th Air Base Group (1952–1964)
    • 7020th Air Base Group (1979–1989)
    • 11th Strategic Group (1984–1992)
    • 420th Air Base Group (2004– )
  • RAF Feltwell (USSC)
    • 5th SSS/21st SW
  • RAF Greenham Common (SAC/USAFE) *
    • 7501st Air Base Squadron (1951–1953)
    • 3909th Air Base / Combat Support Group (1953–1964)
    • 7551st Combat Support Group (CSG) (1964–1968)
    • OLA, 20th TFW (1976–1979)
    • 501 TMW (1982–1991)
  • RAF Lakenheath (SAC/USAFE)
    • 7460th BCS (1948–1949)
    • 7504th ABG (1949–1953)
    • 3913th ABS (1953–1955)
    • 3910th ABG (1955–1960)
    • 99th ADS (1959–1960)
    • 48th TFW (1960– )
  • RAF Manston (USAFE) *
    • 123d FBG (1951–52)
    • 406th FIW (1952–1958)
  • RAF Little Rissington (USAFE) *
    • 870th Contingency Hospital (1981–93)
    • 20th TFW (1981–93) accommodation for RAF Upper Heyford
  • RAF Menwith Hill
  • RAF Mildenhall (SAC/USAFE/AMC)
    • 513th MAW (1966 – )
    • 100th ARW (1992 – )
  • RAF Molesworth (SAC/USAFE)
    • 582d Air Resupply Group (1951–1956)
    • 482d Troop Carrier Sq (1956–1957)
    • 303d TMW (1986–1989)
    • 423d ABG (1989– )
  • RAF Sculthorpe (SAC) *
    • 47th BW (1952–1962)
  • RAF Shepherds Grove (USAFE) *
    • 116th/78th FBS (1951–1958)
  • RAF Upper Heyford (SAC/USAFE) *
    • 7509th ABS (1950–1951)
    • 7509th ABG (1951–1952)
    • 3918th ABG (1952–1958)
    • 3918th CSG (1958–1964)
    • 3918th SW (1964–1966)
    • 66th TFW (1966–1970)
    • 20th TFW (1970–1993)
  • RAF Upwood (USAFE)
    • 10th TRW/TFW/ABW (1959–1994)
    • 423d ABG (1995– )
  • RAF Welford (USAFE)
    • 420th ABG (2005– )
  • RAF Wethersfield (USAFE) *
    • 20th TFW (1951–1970)
Of Course Germany and Japan have quite a few...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan

And everywhere else
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

team-america-jpg.jpg
 
sonik said:
Obviously a little different than occupation. But America doesn't like to leave the party.

USAF bases in the United Kingdom
  • RAF Alconbury (USAFE)
    • 7560th Air Base Group (ABG) (1953–1959)
    • 10th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing /Tactical Fighter Wing (1959–1994)
    • 423d Air Base Group (1995– )
  • RAF Barford St John
    • Detachment 1, 2130th Communications Squadron (AFCS) (1960-1992)
    • 422d ABG (1993– )
  • RAF Bentwaters/RAF Woodbridge (USAFE) *
    • 79th Fighter Squadron (FS) (1952–1970) (RAF Woodbridge)
    • 81st Tactical Fighter Wing (TFW) (1951–1993)
      (RAF Bentwaters to 1958, Bentwaters/Woodbridge to 1993)
  • RAF Burtonwood (Air Materiel Command) *
    • 59th Air Depot Wing (1948–1965)
  • RAF Blenheim Crescent (EOARDS/USAFE)
    • 422d Air Base Group (2007– )
  • RAF Chelveston (SAC/USAFE) *
    • SAC Reflex Base (1952–1959)
    • 42d Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron/10th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing (1959–1962)
  • RAF Chicksands (USAFSS) *
    • 10th Radio Sq (1950–1951)
    • 7534th Air Base Squadron (ABS) (1951–58)
    • 6950th Radio/Security Gp (1958–1978)
    • 7274th Air Base Group (1978–1993)
  • RAF Croughton (USAFE)
    • 1969th Communications Squadron (CS) (1950–1955)
    • 1230th Airways and Air Communications
      Service Squadron (AACS) (1955–1961)
    • 2130th Communications Squadron (1961–1971, 1983–1986)
    • 2130th Communications Group (1971–1980, 1986–1993)
    • 2168th Communications Squadron (1980–1983)
    • 630th Communications Squadron (1993–1994)
    • 603d Communications Squadron (1994–1996)
    • 422d Air Base Squadron (1996–2005)
    • 422d Air Base Group (2005– )
  • RAF Fairford (SAC/USAFE)
    • 7507th Air Base Group (1950–1952)
    • 3919th Air Base Group (1952–1964)
    • 7020th Air Base Group (1979–1989)
    • 11th Strategic Group (1984–1992)
    • 420th Air Base Group (2004– )
  • RAF Feltwell (USSC)
    • 5th SSS/21st SW
  • RAF Greenham Common (SAC/USAFE) *
    • 7501st Air Base Squadron (1951–1953)
    • 3909th Air Base / Combat Support Group (1953–1964)
    • 7551st Combat Support Group (CSG) (1964–1968)
    • OLA, 20th TFW (1976–1979)
    • 501 TMW (1982–1991)
  • RAF Lakenheath (SAC/USAFE)
    • 7460th BCS (1948–1949)
    • 7504th ABG (1949–1953)
    • 3913th ABS (1953–1955)
    • 3910th ABG (1955–1960)
    • 99th ADS (1959–1960)
    • 48th TFW (1960– )
  • RAF Manston (USAFE) *
    • 123d FBG (1951–52)
    • 406th FIW (1952–1958)
  • RAF Little Rissington (USAFE) *
    • 870th Contingency Hospital (1981–93)
    • 20th TFW (1981–93) accommodation for RAF Upper Heyford
  • RAF Menwith Hill
  • RAF Mildenhall (SAC/USAFE/AMC)
    • 513th MAW (1966 – )
    • 100th ARW (1992 – )
  • RAF Molesworth (SAC/USAFE)
    • 582d Air Resupply Group (1951–1956)
    • 482d Troop Carrier Sq (1956–1957)
    • 303d TMW (1986–1989)
    • 423d ABG (1989– )
  • RAF Sculthorpe (SAC) *
    • 47th BW (1952–1962)
  • RAF Shepherds Grove (USAFE) *
    • 116th/78th FBS (1951–1958)
  • RAF Upper Heyford (SAC/USAFE) *
    • 7509th ABS (1950–1951)
    • 7509th ABG (1951–1952)
    • 3918th ABG (1952–1958)
    • 3918th CSG (1958–1964)
    • 3918th SW (1964–1966)
    • 66th TFW (1966–1970)
    • 20th TFW (1970–1993)
  • RAF Upwood (USAFE)
    • 10th TRW/TFW/ABW (1959–1994)
    • 423d ABG (1995– )
  • RAF Welford (USAFE)
    • 420th ABG (2005– )
  • RAF Wethersfield (USAFE) *
    • 20th TFW (1951–1970)
Of Course Germany and Japan have quite a few...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan

And everywhere else
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

team-america-jpg.jpg
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but if you remove the ones that aren't current, it's not so many rolleyes1
 
Mark Wein said:
I like how HP put it:

WASHINGTON ― On Monday, surrounded by other white men, President Donald Trump signed an anti-abortion executive order that has far-reaching consequences for women’s reproductive health access worldwide.

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President Donald Trump signed three executive orders Monday in the Oval Office.
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I like how Pence is there, looking like "You had better print all of the letters so it's valid".
 
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