OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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when he met with Obama he was shocked that he had to hire everyone in the white house. like it just came fully stocked and ready to go. they said he was vastly unaware and unprepared for the scope of the job.


wanting him impeached is almost worse. pence is an intolerant dbag.
 
I'm slowly to look at this stuff because I've always hated even looking at Trump, even as kid in NY ('70s-80s), but if you look at his face after he won on election night, meeting w/ President Obama, the coverage in meeting with Ryan, and other political leaders...he does not look like a man that is comfortable or where he wants to be.

If what Christie's people are leaking is true, we've got a gut that's in WAY over is head and he knows it. What he has if he's willing to acknowledge this (if even only to himself) is an opportunity to create a bipartisan cabinet. I know he won't, but he could. I'd argue that he'd be foolish not to, but this is Trump and he is definitely a foolish man.

i don't know about how foolish he is. he managed to win the presidential election by rallying all the underlying racism, homophobia, xenophobia (and all the rest) to the surface and getting them out an voting him in. doesn't sound foolish to me. evil, yes.
 
And this facebook gem that a friend of mine posted. He's a freelance reporter (and a funny fuck).

Yeah, journalism was a big family business...my maternal grandfather was a producer that worked with Walter Cronkite, Rather, even Murrow for a spell. CBS news may have fallen from grace, but when my grandfather worked there, they were the TV news of record. Real journalism inherently minimizes bias. And even if a journalist has personal bias for or against something, when they do their job correctly (reporting the facts that they have confirmed/verified through multiple sources) their bias is generally buried.

This truthiness post-fact world if totally fucked. All the alt-right dickheads that think everyone is out to get them can get their fix endlessly on the unregulated superhighway. It is now of the "information" (the quotes are important and sarcastic) or mis-information variety, but as the following quote from Nilsson's The Point points out...

-- One of the first things Oblio and Arrow noticed about the Pointless Forest was that all the leaves on all the trees had points, and all the trees had points. In fact, even the branches of all the trees pointed in different directions, which seemed a little strange for a pointless forest. […] Oblio told the Rock Man that they were banished and asked him whether or not this was the Pointless Forest.

The Rock Man said, “Say, babe, there ain’t nothing pointless about this gig. The thing is you see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear. You dig? Did you ever see Paris?”

“No.”

“Did you ever see New Delhi?”

“No.”

“Well, that’s it. You see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear.

That's the world we live in now. Why be bogged down with the reality of the world and your global surroundings when you can get your information (sans verification or what too many people now view as minutia, that being factual details) when you can find a choose to believe the "news" and information that suits you.

Yay us!
 
He won by the rules in place at the time. As much as it sucks that he's gonna be POTUS, I don't think we can change the rules now and retroactively give it to HRC. That would set a terrible precedent.

Fix it moving forward, yes, but this ship has sailed.
Yep, time to suck it up and move on.

As much as I dislike Hillary, I have to give her credit for not dragging this out like Gore did. She could have demanded a recount, but she knows all the crap that goes along with that. She did the right thing, IMO, to concede graciously as hard as that must have been for her.
 
i don't know about how foolish he is. he managed to win the presidential election by rallying all the underlying racism, homophobia, xenophobia (and all the rest) to the surface and getting them out an voting him in. doesn't sound foolish to me. evil, yes.

Reaching out to the lowest common denominator doesn't take brilliance.
 
i don't know about how foolish he is. he managed to win the presidential election by rallying all the underlying racism, homophobia, xenophobia (and all the rest) to the surface and getting them out an voting him in. doesn't sound foolish to me. evil, yes.

That's the epitome of foolishness. If there ever was any truth to the idea that that mentality was on it's last legs, it is back, and openly, with a vengeance. Reopening that can of worms and making it okay again is arguably one of the most foolish things any politician or political candidate has done in my lifetime.

Winning a game you didn't plan to or want to play is not the action of a brilliant person. He's got a level of responsibility that he's never known. He can't back out and fuck over the country like a contractor or grab our junk because he thinks we're pretty.

I'm also in huge fear of him being one of the keepers of the most classified information in our nation. He cannot keep his mouth shut. Worse, he's likely to entrust to the likes of Bannon.
 
knowing that there are enough of them to get you elected and manipulating them and lots of others into voting against their own best interests isn't stupid.

But to my original statement today, I don't know that he ever really thought he would or wanted to win. He doesn't look or act like it at all. His real preparation during the last year was to be a sore loser and parlay the experience into a shit ton more money. No he's got to work harder than he's ever known and get paid less than he's likely ever made annually to do it. Everything about what he did seems like a fool's game to me.

The winner of a fool's game? It's a fool.
 
knowing that there are enough of them to get you elected and manipulating them and lots of others into voting against their own best interests isn't stupid.

The GOP has been getting folks to vote against their best interest for decades, so that wasn't anything he did. A high ranking official in Trumps camp said Trump was shocked when he won, so he didn't think there were enough either.
 
repeatedly lying to people just to get elected is stupid. sure you won but when you fail to deliver on all of those promises and lose next time your legacy is going to look really bad.

trump took his campaign down to the 3rd or 4th grade reading level and more than 60% of the things he said were outright lies. that doesn't make him smart just because he won. winning the presidency doesn't make you smart, its what you do once you win that determines it.

so is he smart because he supposedly has a lot of money? I hope a large % of the people here could do well if they were handed millions when they started out and were repeatedly bailed out every time they failed.
 
But to my original statement today, I don't know that he ever really thought he would or wanted to win. He doesn't look or act like it at all. His real preparation during the last year was to be a sore loser and parlay the experience into a shit ton more money. No he's got to work harder than he's ever known and get paid less than he's likely ever made annually to do it. Everything about what he did seems like a fool's game to me.

The winner of a fool's game? It's a fool.
Guess he needed a tax write off then. Oh fuck it, I'll run for president, that should waste a lot of money. Shit.
 
repeatedly lying to people just to get elected is stupid. sure you won but when you fail to deliver on all of those promises and lose next time your legacy is going to look really bad.

trump took his campaign down to the 3rd or 4th grade reading level and more than 60% of the things he said were outright lies. that doesn't make him smart just because he won. winning the presidency doesn't make you smart, its what you do once you win that determines it.

so is he smart because he supposedly has a lot of money? I hope a large % of the people here could do well if they were handed millions when they started out and were repeatedly bailed out every time they failed.

Yeah, file for bankruptcy once, ok, even twice, but 6 times? That doesn't seem very smart to me. I would be willing to bet, if someone gave me the money Trump was given, I would have more than he does. BTW, there was a great article on how Paris Hilton has grown her wealth at a faster rate than Trump. Let that sink in. :grin:
 
repeatedly lying to people just to get elected is stupid. sure you won but when you fail to deliver on all of those promises and lose next time your legacy is going to look really bad.
You mean like every presidential candidate has done since....well...as long as I can remember? ...and I'm an old motherfucker.
 
Absurd Soros conspiracy theories are dog whistles to anti-semites. Soros is Jewish, and some anti-semites believe him to be part of a Rothschild family cabal that secretly controls the world.

That Soros voting machine conspiracy seems to have been swept under the rug.

In the meantime, here's how it went:

Arizona - Trump
California - Clinton
Colorado - Clinton
District of Columbia - Clinton
Florida - Trump
Illinois - Clinton
Louisiana - Trump
Michigan - Trump
Missouri - Trump
New Jersey - Clinton
Nevada - Clinton
Oregon - Clinton
Pennsylvania - Trump
Virginia - Clinton
Washington - Clinton
Wisconsin - Trump
 
That Soros voting machine conspiracy seems to have been swept under the rug.

In the meantime, here's how it went:

Arizona - Trump
California - Clinton
Colorado - Clinton
District of Columbia - Clinton
Florida - Trump
Illinois - Clinton
Louisiana - Trump
Michigan - Trump
Missouri - Trump
New Jersey - Clinton
Nevada - Clinton
Oregon - Clinton
Pennsylvania - Trump
Virginia - Clinton
Washington - Clinton
Wisconsin - Trump

"Soros" voting machines (Smartmatic brand - the connection to Soros is tenuous at best) aren't used in US elections.
 
"Soros" voting machines (Smartmatic brand - the connection to Soros is tenuous at best) aren't used in US elections.

It's true. That hasn't stopped the rumor from continuing to fly. But even better, if the machines were used, those states don't seem to have been rigged for Clinton at all. So that's one conspiracy theory down. What's next?
 
Irony is ironic. Pence is fighting to keep his email as Governor from public record. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/11/14/whats-mike-pence-hiding-his-emails/92839560/http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/11/14/whats-mike-pence-hiding-his-emails/92839560

Turns out he used Indiana taxpayer money to hire a law firm to help *Texas* in their immigration lawsuit against the Obama administration. Unsurprisingly, he now wants the details kept from the public.

good luck with that. Aren't all government employees' email are public record. When I worked for a school district in Florida part of my job was maintaining emails even if they were deleted for public record requests. We had some crazy requests and people got fired because of them.
 
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