OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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BlockInlay said:
This country is stupid enough to elect W twice and Trump at least once. You think just four years of being run into the ground will cause the development of rational thinking?
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Last night, before the results started coming in, I told my wife I felt like we were in for a Kerry v Bush night. I remember thinking no way will we elect a guy who totally lied to get us into a war we shouldn't be in and boy was I wrong. I was shocked when Kerry lost. You would think Trump winning would be a bigger shock, but fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, we won't get fooled again.

It really is hard to believe that Trump winning makes me miss W. What I wouldn't give for him to be the one being sworn in in Jan instead of Trump.
 
I'm not at all surprised with the results. What surprises me is how shocked 50% of the people seem to be (close to 90% here I guess). Paying attention to all of the data this is not even a big surprise. The polls were, like Brexit, not being interpreted correctly. The election was always VERY close and the swing states that Clinton needed were very much in doubt. Especially given the demographic in many of them (older white rural voters). However most "experts" were saying it would be a clear Clinton victory. The polls are also a trailing indicator I think and the trend had been down for Clinton in the last 2 weeks of the campaign.

I also think they underestimated the impact of 8 years of Obama. I like him but anyone who is in power for a long time is going to wear on more and more people unless things are going spectacularly well. While things have not been bad they have been very much range bound and I think more and more people felt that another 4 years would be more of the same. Trump, for better or worse, offered a change for enough people to make the difference

Personally I've seen a lot of governments come and go and most of the time the world moves. I have some major concerns about GOP policies but I am willing to wait and see what happens before I claim the sky is falling, not before. My concerns are mainly wrt climate change (this is a big one IMO but I never really felt collectively Americans felt this was a major issue anyways), healthcare and potential instabilities due to isolationist policies here in the US. I'm pretty sure some of the stuff talked about during the campaign will wither away (walls, trade agreements, deportations come to mine for me) in light of other bigger issues to fix/work on. As always with politics it's really easy to say what you are going to do to fix all of the problems...but it's a lot hard to actually do them. And then there will be new problems currently unforeseen that change priorities.

If he really fucks up, there may be a change in 2 years that neuters some of his impact. And to be honest, the fact that he is not a politician might actually end up being a positive... but only time will tell.
 
nuke_diver said:
And to be honest, the fact that he is not a politician might actually end up being a positive... but only time will tell.
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I was with you until this...

Practically every Washington outsider runs into a brick wall of resistance from the DC establishment...and this is going to happen to him as well...it may seem to be to his advantage to have no political capital to spend or receive, but nobody in DC has anything to gain from working with him...most of the government service people, who can't be fired and don't have to run for reelection, are really the ones who actually run the country...and the politicians are so deep into each others pockets that an outsider can't penetrate the club...

When Obama took office he had problems rallying his own party, and Trump, who is not at all popular with his, will have even more problems getting the established DC GOP to work with him...they're going to do what they want to do without regard to a Trump agenda...

Th end game to all of this is 4 more years of Washington gridlock, an adminstration stuck in the mud, and a Democratic party doing nothing to make the situation any better...

The more things change...
 
jelloman said:
I was with you until this...

Practically every Washington outsider runs into a brick wall of resistance from the DC establishment...and this is going to happen to him as well...it may seem to be to his advantage to have no political capital to spend or receive, but nobody in DC has anything to gain from working with him...most of the government service people, who can't be fired and don't have to run for reelection, are really the ones who actually run the country...and the politicians are so deep into each others pockets that an outsider can't penetrate the club...

When Obama took office he had problems rallying his own party, and Trump, who is not at all popular with his, will have even more problems getting the established DC GOP to work with him...they're going to do what they want to do without regard to a Trump agenda...

Th end game to all of this is 4 more years of Washington gridlock, an adminstration stuck in the mud, and a Democratic party doing nothing to make the situation any better...

The more things change...
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I would have not said that except for an interview with the Chairman of the House Ways and Means committee today on CNBC who spoke excitedly about working with Trump (granted it was WRT tax cuts mainly). At least there are some places were they have common ground. I think you will be very correct though with resistance to some of the other stuff he proposes like immigration. Especially when he asks for money to build the wall from Congress....
 
Don't blame third party voters. Blame those that didn't vote.

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Beyer160 said:
With the republicans controlling Congress, the White House and the Supreme Court? We've got a lot of problems, but gridlock isn't going to be one of them.
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yea.....i'm much more worried that they will get everything accomplished that they've been talking about for a decade.
federal religious (christian only) liberty laws.
stack SCOTUS with a couple more Clarence Thomases.
send 500,000 troops into the mid east.
overturn marriage equality.
make being gay illegal nationally.

yea.....i'm worried.
 
GilmourD said:
I'd rather have Dubya again than Dump. Dubya's nefarious shenanigans were nothing compared to Dump.
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I dunno. W's cronies were ruthless, dug in, and supremely evil. They knew the system and how to work it inside and out.

Trump won't have access to such top shelf pieces of shit.

Trump and his type of people are gluttons and bullies. W and his people were highly polished war criminals and financial rapists wrapped in Jesus and the 'Murrican flag.
 
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