OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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Just saying, that there's too many coincidences, that's all. I mean, check out what happened to John Ashe.

See, that's the danger in relying on rightwing nutjob sites for information: it's an echo chamber resounding with angry fear-mongering, innuendo and flat-out lies. The signal (truth) to noise (falsehoods) ratio is absurdly low and no one gets well-informed from it without swallowing enormous amounts of abject bullshit.

Case in point:

http://www.snopes.com/un-official-j...re-he-was-to-testify-against-hillary-clinton/

CLAIM: Ex-UN Official John Ashe died suspiciously the day before he was scheduled to testify against Hillary Clinton.

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MOSTLY FALSE


WHAT'S TRUE: Former UN Official John Ashe died in June 2016 at his Dobbs Ferry home. His death was initially misreported as a heart attack rather than an accident, and he was about to begin pre-trial meetings related to corruption charges at the time he died.

WHAT'S FALSE: Ashe's corruption trial wasn't set to begin just days after his death, and he wasn't going to testify against Hillary Clinton.

ORIGIN:embarrassed:n 22 June 2016 John Ashe, a former United Nations diplomat from Antigua, died at his Dobbs Ferry, New York, home. According to various accounts, Ashe's death occurred just five days before he was set to stand trial on corruption charges; Ashe's cause of death was initially misreported as a heart attack, but subsequent news accounts attributed his demise to a weightlifting accident:

Ashe, 61, died of injuries while lifting a barbell on a bench, the Westchester, New York, medical examiner's office [said]. Earlier U.N. spokesman Dan Thomas told CNN that Ashe died of a heart attack. He now tells CNN that the information came from a newspaper report in Antiqua, as well as a former colleague of Ashe's. The medical examiner clarified Ashe died from traumatic asphyxia and suffered laryngeal fractures while lifting.



The day after reports of Ashe's passing hit the U.S. news cycle, a conspiracy site claimed that Ashe had been slated to testify against Hillary Clinton on the day he conveniently (that is to say, suspiciously) passed away:

In what a new Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today calls a “master incestuous maneuver”, the Bush Crime Family has rushed to the side of Hillary Clinton after a top United Nations official set to testify against her in a US District Court yesterday was found dead by FBI agents who were set to deliver him before a Grand Jury. [Note: Some words and phrases appearing in this report are English language approximations of Russian words and phrases having no exact counterpart.]
According to this report, former UN President John Ashe was scheduled to testify against Hillary Clinton yesterday in a New York City US District Court, but when FBI agents arrived at his Dobbs Ferry, New York, mansion he was found dead of what current UN President Mogens Lykketoft said was a heart attack — but that SVR intelligence analysts say in this report is impossible to determine prior to an autopsy being performed and medical tests conducted.
That claim stemmed from a single source: a blogger working under the nom de plume "Sorcha Faal" who publishes fabricated "news" accounts on the political conspiracy site whatdoesitmean.com. RationalWiki says of that blog and author:

Sorcha Faal is the alleged author of an ongoing series of "reports" published at WhatDoesItMean.com, whose work is of such quality that even other conspiracy nutters don't think much of it.
Each report resembles a news story in its style but usually includes a sensational headline barely related to reality and quotes authoritative high-level Russian sources (such as the Russian Federal Security Service) to support its most outrageous claims. Except for the stuff attributed to unverifiable sources, the reports don't contain much original material. They are usually based on various news items from the mainstream media and/or whatever the clogosphere is currently hyperventilating about, with each item shoehorned into the conspiracy narrative the report is trying to establish.

Prior fabrications from the same site and blogger held that President Obama ordered the military to nuke the city of Charleston, that Rear Admiral Rick Williams was fired because he revealed Obama's purchase of a mansion in Dubai (Williams was actually terminated for misconduct), and that Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama were locked in a potentially conflict-starting battle over the practices of the Monsanto agribusiness corporation. The claim about Clinton was also a variation on the long-circulating (and equally false) "body bags" rumor holding that the Clintons have frequently "done away" with once-loyal associates who became political liabilities.

We contacted the U.S. District Attorney for the Southern District of New York to verify the claims about Ashe and Clinton. According to the individual with whom we spoke, CNN's report that Ashe's corruption trial was set to begin just five days after his death was not accurate: Ashe was only scheduled to attend some standard pre-trial meetings in the following days.

Moreover, the U.S. District Attorney's spokesperson told us that no portion of Ashe's court case pertained to Hillary Clinton. Not only was he not set to testify against Clinton five days before he died, neither was he slated to do so at any point during the trial. A copy of the 5 October 2015 complaint against Ashe and several co-defendants (which involved Ashe's taking bribes from developer David Ng to support one of Ng's real estate projects at the U.N.) can be located here [PDF].
See why relying on such nutters for info is a bad, bad idea if one wants to be taken seriously?
 
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I've been told by former HCEG members on FB that Snopes and Politifact are biased for Clinton. I don't support Clinton, but have greater reason to believe Snopes and Politifact are less biased than the MSM. All I'm saying here is that apparently, fact checking sites aren't good enough for the Killary Kamp, and they refuse to be swayed.
 
I've been told by former HCEG members on FB that Snopes and Politifact are biased for Clinton. I don't support Clinton, but have greater reason to believe Snopes and Politifact are less biased than the MSM. All I'm saying here is that apparently, fact checking sites aren't good enough for the Killary Kamp, and they refuse to be swayed.

Sweet, blissful ignorance...
 
I've been told by former HCEG members on FB that Snopes and Politifact are biased for Clinton. I don't support Clinton, but have greater reason to believe Snopes and Politifact are less biased than the MSM. All I'm saying here is that apparently, fact checking sites aren't good enough for the Killary Kamp, and they refuse to be swayed.

I've heard the same. At least if you disagree with Snopes or Politifact, their statements are attributed properly so you can see the sources of the information and go research it yourself if you are so inclined.
 
I've been told by former HCEG members on FB that Snopes and Politifact are biased for Clinton. I don't support Clinton, but have greater reason to believe Snopes and Politifact are less biased than the MSM. All I'm saying here is that apparently, fact checking sites aren't good enough for the Killary Kamp, and they refuse to be swayed.

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I've heard the same. At least if you disagree with Snopes or Politifact, their statements are attributed properly so you can see the sources of the information and go research it yourself if you are so inclined.

The linked article on Snopes is it's substantiated by CNN and the NY Times, neither of which are unbiased sources. However, the right wing/conservative news sources are mostly just spouting bullshit. So we're stuck believing CNN and their obvious bias.
 
I have a theory re: James Comey's rather oddly timed decision to make a statement with essentially no facts at a time calculated to be particularly damaging to the Democrats' electoral hopes: Russian hackers infiltrated HIS email account, found some damning information, and blackmailed him into sending that letter to Congress. Sure doesn't sound any less likely than a lot of what we've been hearing lately...
 
Can't trust Snopes since they're in the bag for Hillary.

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Fuck, dude.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/john-ashe-dies-days-before-testifying-against-hillary-clinton-donor/

So, in conclusion, claims that John Ashe died days before he was scheduled to testify against Clinton donor Ng Lap Seng are both true and false. Ashe died unexpectedly during pre-trial activity, but there’s no indication that he was killed. There’s also no indication that he was scheduled to testify against Seng.

This isn’t the first time we’ve investigated conspiracies about Clinton “friends” dying under suspicious circumstances, either. Click here for our related investigations.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...died-weightlifting-accident-article-1.2685625
 
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I have a theory re: James Comey's rather oddly timed decision to make a statement with essentially no facts at a time calculated to be particularly damaging to the Democrats' electoral hopes: Russian hackers infiltrated HIS email account, found some damning information, and blackmailed him into sending that letter to Congress. Sure doesn't sound any less likely than a lot of what we've been hearing lately...
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I hate that a bunch of non-journalists have decided that journalism can't be trusted using the mass communication mediums created by the journalism industry.

A news organization, e.g.: the New Your Times, can have bias as a far as political support and editorial (read: columnist bias) while not compromising their journalistic integrity. I don't dismiss Wall Street Journal books reviews because I know their editorial offices are conservative, so I don't dismiss their coverage of actual events anymore than those of the NYT because I think they're going to load it with right-wing agenda bullshit.

Also, I can generally spot the bullshit. A certain level of illiteracy, based on reading comprehension, critical thinking, and retention has fed into the bullshit machine that the right spend far more time manipulating than the left have ever even thought about. The "liberal" journalists and news organizations spend far too much time trying to prove to too much of the population (relying on a notion of them having sense and being capable of rational thought) that a significant amount of the "information" being disseminated by the...we'll call them the fair and balanced media...is total fucking bullshit.

The consumers of this stuff have deluded themselves into enjoying shit Twinkies. A significant amount of people are convinced that education is bad on some level and are sure that every fucking thing that they don't (or don't care to) understand is out to get not only them, but ALL of us.

Fuck...pulled into the shit again.
 
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