OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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mongooz said:
i absolutely agree there are far more reasons to not like/trust the Dumpster. i'm not voting for him, i'm voting against him, not necessarily FOR Hill.

and whatever the anti-Hill reasons are, it's not necessarily because the GOP got in their head. that's all i'm saying.
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I'm saying that I'd suspect hatred of Hillary has more to do with misogyny, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc., than it does with email servers or conspiracy theories. The latter are excuses for the former, even if it isn't understood or acknowledged by those having those thoughts. I'm not saying that that's the case for all, but I am convinced that it's true for a great, great many. At the very least, enough to constitute a significant minority. Enough to form a minority party large enough to receive federal funding. I mean, who wouldn't want an elated Howie?
 
mongooz said:
@Beyer160 , @Flamencology
i don't think all the HRC haters are because of GOP fringe brain washing. there's a long history of Clinton dislike (both Bill and Hill) and there's a fair amount of that dislike that is their own fault. Rose Law Firm double/triple billing. Whitewater. Hillary short selling insurance company stocks when she was running "universal health care initiative" when Bill was in the W.H. HRC getting removed from the watergate committee for presenting fraudulent evidence. etc.
they've both actually done things to warrant dislike/distrust and it didn't have ANYTHING to do with the GOP. it was their actual actions and getting caught/found out about it.

so a lot of the folks who are voting AGAINST HRC aren't GOP lackeys. they honestly do not like HRC or trust her, and with some good reason.
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Gotta disagree, for two primary reasons:

1) either while he was running or soon after he took office, Rush Limbaugh started his groundswell. As he ascended to his former height it was HUGELY on the back of Hillary being a "fem-Nazi". He coined a term to express his disgust in her wanting to be active in the political process of the President and the White House. The yuppy-frat mentality of his early listeners ate that shit up and have stuck with it ever since.

2) if you were watching while it was happening the Republicans, led by Newt were on a full-tilt witch hunt to vilify President Clinton. They were going after everything to discredit him, his wife, and any dealings they have ever had. The Clintons were put under a bigger and more powerful microscope than any other President and First family up to that point. Hell, it might have been even bigger than the one on Obama. Almost every politician has skeletons in their closets (not the least of which is Gingrich), but very few have had congressional committees working day and night to find and uncover them.

The GOP and their myriad mouthpieces made a concerted effort to try and expose anything that could be perceived as wrongdoing by the Clintons (not that there hasn't been). The literately were trying to get the President thrown out of office (which many thought impeachment would do, not realizing that it's actually just censuring the President as opposed to something that requires him/her to resign)!

I believe this is when the real agenda change began. Instead of working for the people in way that could help them using "conservative" actions and measures, the goal of the Republicans started to focus more on obstructing any movement that wasn't part of their agenda. With the tea party candidates actually getting into office,we've seen this in all its glory. And even now, so much of the talk during the Republican primaries was about undoing legislation instead of presenting improvements or alternatives, let alone any new ideas that would benefit the country.

Fuck, I did it again...
 
Flamencology said:
Assuming that to be the case....

For every reason we have to distrust or to dislike HRC, there are far more reasons to dislike Trump.

"I don't trust this person, so I'm going to support this other person who lies literally 4-5 times more often."

There is a disconnect with reality and logic in this thinking. It's about something deeper.

That said, the history of American conservatism is a history of people voting against the best interests of communities and of the general public. So nothing new there.
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Yeah, they are absolutely brilliant (if not the best) at selling themselves to groups that they have no intention of supporting.
 
Flamencology said:
See my post above.
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You're thinking about this logically. Logically, all of the Hillary protest voters are going for Gary Johnson. In reality, they're voting for Trump. Because, illogically, a third party can't win, vote for Trump because he has a better chance. The reverse is also true. There's nothing logical about voters' reasoning.
 
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mongooz said:
@Beyer160 , @Flamencology
i don't think all the HRC haters are because of GOP fringe brain washing. there's a long history of Clinton dislike (both Bill and Hill)
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And interestingly enough, it all started at the same time as Newt Gingrich's "permanent republican majority" plan, which also conveniently dovetailed with the rise of Limbaugh and FOX news. Coincidence? We report, you decide.

mongooz said:
and there's a fair amount of that dislike that is their own fault. Rose Law Firm double/triple billing.
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HRC was never charged with double/triple billing at Rose, or anywhere else.

mongooz said:
Whitewater.
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After millions of hours of investigation (three separate investigations, in fact), no charges were filed against Bill or Hillary Clinton.

mongooz said:
Hillary short selling insurance company stocks when she was running "universal health care initiative" when Bill was in the W.H.
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Sorry, I'd never heard this one.

mongooz said:
HRC getting removed from the watergate committee for presenting fraudulent evidence. etc.
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This is a total lie:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

mongooz said:
they've both actually done things to warrant dislike/distrust and it didn't have ANYTHING to do with the GOP. it was their actual actions and getting caught/found out about it.
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From your examples above, no, they didn't- ALL of these were politically motivated smear campaigns from the GOP.

mongooz said:
so a lot of the folks who are voting AGAINST HRC aren't GOP lackeys. they honestly do not like HRC or trust her, and with some good reason.
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They probably don't THINK of themselves as GOP lackeys, but the fact is they've internalized completely false GOP propaganda.

Haven't we already covered this? If I established a news network that spent 20-some years saying you were a rapist, people would start to believe it in spite of the fact there was no evidence whatsoever. "I saw it on TV, it MUST be true!"
 
Beyer160 said:
Separation, sure... but Trump curbstomped Jeb in the primary, the lunatics are definitely driving the bus these days.
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The reason Trump got the nomination was there were so many people in the running, the more sane people had their vote split between Bush, Christie, Kasich, Rubio and Cruz. All of the loonies voted for Trump. Trump got 14,015,993 votes. The rest of the field got over 17 million votes. Had it been a 2 way race like the democratic primary, he may not have won.
 
Chad said:
The reason Trump got the nomination was there were so many people in the running, the more sane people had their vote split between Bush, Christie, Kasich, Rubio and Cruz. All of the loonies voted for Trump. Trump got 14,015,993 votes. The rest of the field got over 17 million votes. Had it been a 2 way race like the democratic primary, he may not have won.
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Well, God told Cruz to run, so maybe God wanted Trump to win the primary, exposing the right-wing hate machine for all to see, and he'll start a new series of plagues at their homes real soon?
 
Count Cruz will definitely be running again in 2020.

So there's that to look forward to...
 
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Chad said:
The reason Trump got the nomination was there were so many people in the running, the more sane people had their vote split between Bush, Christie, Kasich, Rubio and Cruz. All of the loonies voted for Trump. Trump got 14,015,993 votes. The rest of the field got over 17 million votes. Had it been a 2 way race like the democratic primary, he may not have won.
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You can't assume that all non-Trump votes would have automatically gone to a single challenger, though- he got 45% of the vote, all he'd have needed to do was get 6% of the rest (I know it's not that simple, but you get the idea).
 
Chad made a reasonable point about the number of candidates. However let's say there was a third of the amount there was from the get go

More or less the top 5 (+ Bush lol). A variety pack- 3 regular crazy, and 3 extra crispy crazy:

Bush
Rubio
Kasich
Carson
Cruz
Trump

Even if that was the sole lineup, I imagine Trump still would've sealed it.
 
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