OMG Politics, I'm over it already Mk III, The Search for Spock

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Peen Simmons said:
Ellsberg didn’t scuttle off to Russia. Which is why a lot of folks in the establishment apparatus don’t like/trust Snowden.

Frankly neither Ellsberg nor Snowden are blameless heroes...both were willing participants in the terrible things they wound up exposing. Both dudes were at least partially self-serving. Sadly, their efforts likely haven’t amounted to any serious long-term reform.

Ellsberg has the benefit of history (boomer haigiography, the fact that Nixon sabotaged his own presidency—in part—because the Ellsberg affair drove him mad, etc.). And, yeah, wildly different contexts and public expectations re: national security.
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Ellsberg didn't have to scuttle off to Russia. While he certainly faced prison time, he had a realistic expectation of a fair trial, and the first amendment behind him.

If Snowden hadn't got while the getting was good, he'd have spent the rest of his days rotting in Guantanamo Bay while the government just said "Ed Snowden? Never heard of him".
 
Tig said:
This doesn't appear to be photoshopped. Quite believable, actually.
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Apparently also a supporter of Jamaica?

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shoeless said:
C'mon, tell us how you really feel. :grin:

I dunno...there was a time I used to think Jimmy Kimmel was funny. Nowadays, not so much.
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George Carlin was a white guy who did extremely political content that’s still funny decades later.

That’s because he was punching up, not punching down.

“Political correctness” is almost always code for “I’m annoyed that I can’t say or do racist/misogynistic/homophobic/transphobic shit.”

If a white man can’t get laughs without making jokes about minority groups who’ve been persecuted for centuries... then he’s really not that funny to begin with. As you can see by the jokes that he made. “Trump isn’t Hitler because that gay celebrity isn’t wearing a pink triangle in a concentration camp”... that’s not a joke, that’s the same shit that we get every day from fascist media.
 
GomezAddams said:
Ellsberg didn't have to scuttle off to Russia. While he certainly faced prison time, he had a realistic expectation of a fair trial, and the first amendment behind him.

If Snowden hadn't got while the getting was good, he'd have spent the rest of his days rotting in Guantanamo Bay while the government just said "Ed Snowden? Never heard of him".
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I’m just a simple caveman lawyer explaining why Snowden isn’t a hero. Not saying it’s fair.

Ellsberg was a creature of the establishment...position, privilege, connections. He had a support system and wasn’t in a position to flee (or in a position to need to flee). Snowden is essentially a nobody—and his twitchy tech-bro libertarian-ish position naturally weirds out those in power who might share some political sympathies with him. He’s pretty easy to paint as a creepy little weasel or a pawn of seemingly unsavory folks like Assange and the various intelligence agency free radicals out there on the interwebz.
 
Peen Simmons said:
I’m just a simple caveman lawyer explaining why Snowden isn’t a hero. Not saying it’s fair.

Ellsberg was a creature of the establishment...position, privilege, connections. He had a support system and wasn’t in a position to flee (or in a position to need to flee). Snowden is essentially a nobody—and his twitchy tech-bro libertarian-ish position naturally weirds out those in power who might share some political sympathies with him. He’s pretty easy to paint as a creepy little weasel or a pawn of seemingly unsavory folks like Assange and the various intelligence agency free radicals out there on the interwebz.
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That, and the fact that politicians who might have been inclined to defend him simply didn’t have the political capital to expend on that fight.
 
Facebook removes fake accounts after detecting attempts to interfere in midterm elections
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/31/facebook-has-detected-attempts-to-interfere-in-mid-terms.html

Facebook identifies political influence campaign, not conclusively tied to Russia: NYT 31 Mins Ago | 00:34
Facebook confirmed it has identified a coordinated political influence campaign believed to be working ahead of November's midterm elections.

The social media company announced on Tuesday it had detected and removed 32 fake accounts and pages from both Facebook and Instagram after idetifying "coordinated inauthentic behavior."

Facebook said it has not been able to confirm Russia's involvement. During the 2016 election, the Russian troll farm Internet Research Agency (IRA) was accused in an indictment of election interference. In its announcement, Facebook admitted it did not have all the facts on who was responsible for the effort, but said it was disclosing the fake accounts now ahead of planned protests in Washington, D.C. next week.

"It's clear that whoever set up these accounts went to much greater lengths to obscure their true identities than the Russian-based Internet Research Agency (IRA) has in the past," Facebook wrote in a statement.

Just like during the 2016 elections, the fake accounts and pages focused on divisive social issues issues, like abolishing ICE and an attempt to organize a second "Unite the Right" rally in Washington, D.C. Facebook said the fake accounts spend about $11,000 in ads promoting those divisive posts.

The fake accounts used more advanced techniques to avoid detection, such as hiring third parties to run ads for them, Facebook said. Still, Facebook said it was not able to link the fake accounts to the IRA, even though the fake accounts used similar tactics.

Facebook said it has shared its findings so far with law enforcement and Congress.
[who will then notify russia that they need to up their game]

 
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