OMG Politics, I'm over it already Mk III, The Search for Spock

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Peen Simmons said:
What’s all this about? A spontaneous case of blowhard’s dropsy?

Are you just looking to reassert that you are Barack’s #1 Internet boyfriend?
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do you forget what you post as soon as you post it? It was my response to your characterization of the DNC since the Clinton administration. He's the only Democratic president after Clinton and an example of what the party was focused on during those years. I'm on point, you're exhibiting early signs of dementia.
 
OGG said:
Oi vey!

Seriously weak and barely if at all relevant argument.

The Gingrich thing was definitely unprecedented in that it openly advocated some level of obstructionism. Some level.

Of course the two parties have had periods of bipartisanship or the opposite to varying degrees throughout history, but even during the Reagan years, both sides at least made an effort to find some commonality.

None of that history even holds a candle to the well organized, premeditated, and boldly celebrated POLICY of absolute obstructionism in response to Obama's election. You had the speaker of the house and the Senate majority leader make a joint public announcement in which they promised to block Obama and the Democrats on any and every piece of legislation put forth, and to effectively hold everyone, including their own constituents as hostages to a Federal Government so divided that nothing was getting done.

It got to the point of the Republican party actually changing the rules in the House and Senate in order to cut the Democrats off at the knees. This was a transition well beyond partisanship and frighteningly deep into some Orwellian, Evangelical, and Dystopian Dictatorship territory that gained a huge amount of traction upon Trump being elected.

There are no historical precedents here. None. "By the people and for the people" has sadly become "by the gullible and for the special interests, religious fundamentalism, and corporations to whom we are beholden".
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The style is different and definitely more brazen than it may have been in the past, but the outcome...Congress stalling work for long-term political benefits...it’s been done before.

The Do Nothing Congress thwarted Truman. The Democrats stalled Hoover. The Dixiecrat bloc twarted anyone who didn’t follow their peculiar notions of how things should work. When Republicans finally got enough numbers during FDR’s administration, they put the breaks on his programs.

It’s the nature of the system. It’s adversarial and sometimes there is more political gain in doing nothing vs. compromise. And that sucks when pressing issues get ignored, but that’s the system.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Yes, to an extent, I agree. In some areas more (I would say much more) what would be traditionally labeled as "left" is needed. But labeling stuff as left, or further left or far left, and the same things on the right to me is both inaccurate in terms of discussion of, and identification of, policies aimed at solving or at least improving or dealing with, oncoming issues. Even saying it is purple instead of red and blue is not helpful. Identifying an issue, getting data and science, discussing possible solutions, getting laws made if necessary to accomplish, are not as simple as a color chart or setting on a balance knob.
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And this comes from an inability or refusal to compare ourselves with other 1st-world nations. To consider that other countries might be doing better at virtually anything, other than militarilily.
 
rickenvox said:
do you forget what you post as soon as you post it? It was my response to your characterization of the DNC since the Clinton administration. He's the only Democratic president after Clinton and an example of what the party was focused on during those years. I'm on point, you're exhibiting early signs of dementia.
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I’m sorry, I glazed over during the section where you were fellating Obama.

By the way, you completely missed the point. I basically said the DNC became the natural home of reasonable business interests sometime around the Clinton administration. As such, they’ve become much less willing to take up the cause of labor or push hard for social safety net issues...in part, because they know who is paying the bills.

I wasn’t pleading for a point by point apology for Obama—whose name I didn’t even invoke. I was talking more about a new, exciting direction the DNC could go in if they wished to offer a positive challenge to conservative thought. Obama—like all Chicago success stories—is dangerously close to becoming a “remember when...that was awesome...” like the 85 Bears.

I think maybe you non-Illinois types are missing out because I had a lot longer to get tired of Barack than you all did. I voted for him more times than you all did, so...
 
Peen Simmons said:
I’m sorry, I glazed over during the section where you were fellating Obama.

By the way, you completely missed the point. I basically said the DNC became the natural home of reasonable business interests sometime around the Clinton administration. As such, they’ve become much less willing to take up the cause of labor or push hard for social safety net issues...in part, because they know who is paying the bills.

I wasn’t pleading for a point by point apology for Obama—whose name I didn’t even invoke. I was talking more about a new, exciting direction the DNC could go in if they wished to offer a positive challenge to conservative thought. Obama—like all Chicago success stories—is dangerously close to becoming a “remember when...that was awesome...” like the 85 Bears.

I think maybe you non-Illinois types are missing out because I had a lot longer to get tired of Barack than you all did. I voted for him more times than you all did, so...
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He was just the only president in history who came close to moving towards all of the values in your eye glazing point by point wishlist for the Democratic party.

"An effective, meaningful Democrat party would fully embrace Black Lives Matter, make diversity and full legal equality a central part of the message, shore up labor rights, push for a single-payer health care solution, rally around a social safety net free of means tests, work-fare provisions, and poverty-shaming, campaign on gradual demilitarization (at home and abroad), and push for meaningful student/worker/citizen protections in all sectors while stripping corporations of the rights of political personhood."
 
rickenvox said:
He was just the only president in history who came close to moving towards all of the values in your eye glazing point by point wishlist for the Democratic party.

"An effective, meaningful Democrat party would fully embrace Black Lives Matter, make diversity and full legal equality a central part of the message, shore up labor rights, push for a single-payer health care solution, rally around a social safety net free of means tests, work-fare provisions, and poverty-shaming, campaign on gradual demilitarization (at home and abroad), and push for meaningful student/worker/citizen protections in all sectors while stripping corporations of the rights of political personhood."
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You’re right. Obama did more to establish a social safety net and ensure union bargaining rights than any other president in history.
 
Peen Simmons said:
You’re right. Obama did more to establish a social safety net and ensure union bargaining rights than any other president in history.
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OMG, he didn't do everything. Health care was on the democratic agenda during the entire two Clinton terms and couldn't get any progress on his watch, but Obama did get a great starting point for universal healthcare passed. You are correct though, he didn't do everything else under the sun. Good criticism. Unfortunately there's no one in the foreseeable future to right all wrongs.

Anyway - entertaining as always. But I'm done with politics for the day.
 
rickenvox said:
OMG, he didn't do everything. Health care was on the democratic agenda during the entire two Clinton terms and couldn't get any progress on his watch, but Obama did get a great starting point for universal healthcare passed. You are correct though, he didn't do everything else under the sun. Good criticism. Unfortunately there's no one in the foreseeable future to right all wrongs.

Anyway - entertaining as always. But I'm done with politics for the day.
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Again, you missed the issue. You said St. Barry was “the only president in history” who made inroads on the points I mentioned...which is a ridiculous assertion if I’m correct in assuming that we share the same universe where both FDR and LBJ existed.

I think a core part of this ongoing debate is that you are a sloppy communicator who plays too loose with superlatives and absolute language.

Enjoy your weekend ritual of eating paint chips.
 
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Peen Simmons said:
Again, you missed the issue. You said St. Barry was “the only president in history” who made inroads on the points I mentioned...which is a ridiculous assertion if I’m correct in assuming that we share the same universe where both FDR and LBJ existed.

I think a core part of this ongoing debate is that you are a sloppy communicator who plays too loose with superlatives and absolute language.

Enjoy your weekend ritual of eating paint chips.
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Peen - true master of irony
 
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