OMG Politics, I'm over it already Mk III, The Search for Spock

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Nazi Stephen Miller convinced Trump that it would be a good "deterrent" for people trying to get into the US.

Do these people ever drink California wines or eat strawberries? California farms were short on labor this year because of this misguided bullshit.

The only people taking away jobs that Americans actually want are offshore Indian consultants taking all of our tech jobs. Would Trump know anything about tech? No he's a literal dumbfuck.
 
Ive just read about the US policy of separating kids from their parents if they're illegal migrants or whatever.

I can't imagine the reasoning behind this. Its horrific.

It's trumps new negotiating tactic to get congress to pay for the wall he initially claimed Mexico was going to pay for.

Same thing he did w DACA. Take away something already in place away. Use it as a bargaining chip and blame the dems for not paying for the wall.

He is 100% human trash.
 
It's trumps new negotiating tactic to get congress to pay for the wall he initially claimed Mexico was going to pay for.

Same thing he did w DACA. Take away something already in place away. Use it as a bargaining chip and blame the dems for not paying for the wall.

He is 100% human trash.

This is why it would be healthy for the US to have a proper 3rd, 4th and possibly even 5th party. 2 party systems are inherently broken, especially when in place for a longer time. It's not good that there's an effective monopoly on being the alternative. All discussion break down into "but they did this". It's ridiculous. But I guess that won't happen as no one who could make that happen is way too afraid to lose their comfy flinging shit at the other guy position.
 
This is why it would be healthy for the US to have a proper 3rd, 4th and possibly even 5th party. 2 party systems are inherently broken, especially when in place for a longer time. It's not good that there's an effective monopoly on being the alternative. All discussion break down into "but they did this". It's ridiculous. But I guess that won't happen as no one who could make that happen is way too afraid to lose their comfy flinging shit at the other guy position.

Agree fully. Can’t imagine it happening/functioning without instant runoff voting.
 
This is why it would be healthy for the US to have a proper 3rd, 4th and possibly even 5th party. 2 party systems are inherently broken, especially when in place for a longer time. It's not good that there's an effective monopoly on being the alternative. All discussion break down into "but they did this". It's ridiculous. But I guess that won't happen as no one who could make that happen is way too afraid to lose their comfy flinging shit at the other guy position.

The Working Families Party is about as close to a progressive third party as this country has. And all they do is endorse Democrats. The Libertarians are making some headway, but don't believe in any kind of social safety net. The Green Party is just silly at this point. That said, major party voters are still convinced, wrongly, that voting for a third party candidate is not a viable option. It is, and always will be the best protest vote. Everyone should be focused right now on making sure they're registered to vote this November, and registering others to vote.
 
Agree fully. Can’t imagine it happening/functioning without instant runoff voting.
and the elimination of the (currently) gop backup plan of using the electoral college to force their guy in, anyway.

my concern is that they'll simply refuse to acknowledge any vote that doesn't go their way.
and the military is stacked with people who would back that up with force.
 
The Working Families Party is about as close to a progressive third party as this country has. And all they do is endorse Democrats. The Libertarians are making some headway, but don't believe in any kind of social safety net. The Green Party is just silly at this point. That said, major party voters are still convinced, wrongly, that voting for a third party candidate is not a viable option. It is, and always will be the best protest vote. Everyone should be focused right now on making sure they're registered to vote this November, and registering others to vote.
That's kind of the problem. It shouldn't be a protest vote. People should have the option to have their vote go to a party that represents their ideas in parliament/congress/wherever. Not because they think the other guy/party is a dick. It doesn't even matter if they're for or against bad things, they need to be a viable alternative for people who believe in their ideals to make a democratic system function properly. If you look at the congress now: 235 republicans, 193 democrats, 7 vacancies. What the fuck is that. How can anyone ever be remotely represented by a system so binary.
 
That's kind of the problem. It shouldn't be a protest vote. People should have the option to have their vote go to a party that represents their ideas in parliament/congress/wherever. Not because they think the other guy/party is a dick. It doesn't even matter if they're for or against bad things, they need to be a viable alternative for people who believe in their ideals to make a democratic system function properly. If you look at the congress now: 235 republicans, 193 democrats, 7 vacancies. What the fuck is that. How can anyone ever be remotely represented by a system so binary.

We're stuck until eligible voters, starting with the the 42% of the country that doesn't vote, make this realization.
 
That's the problem. I don't understand how such an enormous percentage of people just don't care enough to use their voting right.
i think that part of the reason they "dont care" is because of what just happened. 3 million more votes went to Clinton over Trump and yet because of the gerrymandering of the E.C., Trump gets in anyway. those 42% (or whatever) don't think it f'ing matters and why bother. and looking at 2016, they're right, unfortunately. more parties aren't going to fix a rigged system. i'm not saying more parties are wrong, i'm saying that until the system gets "un-rigged", it won't matter how many parties there are.
 
i think that part of the reason they "dont care" is because of what just happened. 3 million more votes went to Clinton over Trump and yet because of the gerrymandering of the E.C., Trump gets in anyway. those 42% (or whatever) don't think it f'ing matters and why bother. and looking at 2016, they're right, unfortunately. more parties aren't going to fix a rigged system. i'm not saying more parties are wrong, i'm saying that until the system gets "un-rigged", it won't matter how many parties there are.
Maybe, in that one election for president.

BUT, for all the other races very local, statewide, and national house and senate from each state voting matters very much and the electoral college does not even apply. Each vote matters there. And really, for most of our daily lives, is more important. ALL elections. Judges (if your state uses elections to fill vacancies or retain after a Governor appoints), city and county officials, district wide officials, statewide officials, etc. The focus on the presidential race only in the minds of many needs to be erased and replaced. It is a very short sighted and narrow view. We give the presidency more power than it has by not being more involved in these other races.
 
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i think that part of the reason they "dont care" is because of what just happened. 3 million more votes went to Clinton over Trump and yet because of the gerrymandering of the E.C., Trump gets in anyway. those 42% (or whatever) don't think it f'ing matters and why bother. and looking at 2016, they're right, unfortunately. more parties aren't going to fix a rigged system. i'm not saying more parties are wrong, i'm saying that until the system gets "un-rigged", it won't matter how many parties there are.

No it isn’t. We’ve never had even 80% of the electorate voting. It’s low because people don’t see the value in voting, and when there are no good candidates, still coming out and voting for a third party. You want change? Vote, and send back that RNC survey.
 
DHS Secretary Says There’s No Family Separation Policy ‘Period’
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirstjen-nielsen-family-separation_us_5b271b20e4b0f9178a9e544d

"Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen defended her agency’s role at the U.S. border with Mexico on Sunday, saying there was no family separation policy.

“This misreporting by members, press and advocacy groups must stop,” Nielsen wrote in a series of tweets Sunday evening. “It is irresponsible and unproductive. As I have said many times before, if you are seeking asylum for your family, there is no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry.”

We do not have a policy of separating families at the border,” she continued. “Period.”

[yes you DO have a policy, and you have published guidlines on how to separate families, you f'ing liar]

"DHS even published guidelines on its website last week clarifying how such separations take place."
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"An unnamed White House official also alluded to The Washington Post that Trump was using the enforcement to force lawmakers to pass new immigration laws."

[you are using these poor kids as pawns in your fucking asshole politics game. ]

 
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-roger-stone-meeting-washington-post-strike-russia-c73ae57a12c9
Trump encourages Post employees to strike, hours after paper breaks bombshell Russia collusion story
"I think a really long strike would be a great idea."

Just hours after The Washington Post published a bombshell story about a previously undisclosed May 2016 meeting between Roger Stone and a Russian national who promised political dirt about Hillary Clinton, President Trump encouraged Post employees to go on strike.

“Washington Post employees want to go on strike because Bezos isn’t paying them enough,” Trump tweeted. “I think a really long strike would be a great idea. Employees would get more money and we would get rid of Fake News for an extended period of time! Is @WaPo a registered lobbyist?”

Trump’s tweet, coming as it does on the heels of the Post’s report, is the latest evidence that his repeated attacks on Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos are motivated by the publication’s coverage of Trump — not any sort of principled concern about the state of the postal service or well-being of Post employees.

The Post reported that Stone — a longtime Trump adviser — met in May 2016 with a man who called himself Henry Greenberg. Greenberg initially contacted Trump campaign communications official Michael Caputo and offered dirt about Hillary, and Caputo responded by arranging the meeting with Stone. [snip]

Stone failed to disclose his meeting with Greenberg during his sworn testimony to the House Intelligence Committee in September 2017. During an interview on Sunday morning on C-SPAN, Stone said he simply forgot about the the episode until the Post’s report.

The Post’s report comes less than a month after The Wall Street Journal obtained emails indicating Stone withheld key documents from the House Intelligence Committee that indicate he lied about his communications with a radio host he hoped would serve as a backchannel to WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign.

A lawyer for Stone, Grant Smith, responded to the Journal’s report by claiming, lamely, that the emails weren’t turned over to the House Intelligence Committee because they were “not encompassed within the scope of the committee’s request.” But the committee’s investigation, which was recently ended by a pro-Trump faction led by chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA), was about Russia’s efforts to meddle in the election — precisely what Stone was discussing with the radio host in the email.

As The Post details, “Stone and Caputo’s interactions with Greenberg mean that at least 11 Trump associates or campaign officials have acknowledged interactions with a Russian during the election season or presidential transition.” In December 2016 and January 2017, incoming White House counselor Kellyanne Conway and Vice President-elect Mike Pence both categorically denied during TV interviews that there was any contact between the Trump campaign and Russia at all.

During a CNN interview on Sunday, Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani downplayed the Post’s report by arguing that while Stone may have been willing to collude with Russia, he didn’t successfully pull it off, so it’s no big deal. [snip]

The Stone-Greenberg meeting occurred a month before top Trump campaign officials met at Trump Tower with a Russian agent who promised them political dirt about Hillary Clinton. Team Trump has tried to downplay that meeting with a similar line of argument: While they may have been willing to collude, that doesn’t matter since they weren’t able to do so.

It remains unclear, however, exactly what information was passed from Russian agents to the Trump campaign, and what team Trump did with it.
 
trump jr, kushner, manafort, flynn, stone: we def met with the russians trying to collude after lying saying we never did but we didn't get anything so we are innocent.

seems legit.

the bank robber who doesn't get any money is always released too right?

so they all lied about never having the meetings but they are totally telling the truth about not getting anything usefull. when should we believe them?
 
trump jr, kushner, manafort, flynn, stone: we def met with the russians trying to collude after lying saying we never did but we didn't get anything so we are innocent.

seems legit.

the bank robber who doesn't get any money is always released too right?

so they all lied about never having the meetings but they are totally telling the truth about not getting anything usefull. when should we believe them?
Lying, lying about lying, and lying about lying about lying. :-D
 
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