WTF: The Day the Music Burned.

reverend1 said:
Of course there is, but very little popular music. I used to love pop music when I was growing up. Micheal Jackson, Prince,tons of great stuff and variety. Not so much anymore. Hell, the new rap music doesn't even have a beat or rhythm anymore. It just people talking and going "yeah! or Uhh!" over weird noises. Or you have this EDM stuff that is completely soulless dreck.

Sure there's tons of great new music out there, but it's hard to find. And the general public doesn't;t want to hear you play songs they don't know. Even when it's one of their favorite bands playing songs from a new album.
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New music is right under your nose. You’ll find it with the most cursory glance.
 
Tralfaz said:
Sheesh people, at least read the article before proclaiming the loss to be "no big deal." Sure, most people don't care if a soulless music corporation can't make a tidy profit on yet another collection of John Coltrane music. But do you really believe that the destruction of the master recordings of Buddy Holly near-entire career is trivial? Or the loss of Chuck Berry's master recordings? Or the Chess back catalog?
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I think the simple point was - is any of this material not already in print or digitized? If we've only lost the ability to remaster or publish outtakes then I think civilization will survive. I periodically notice that I probably own more books than I could ever read in my lifetime. Is collecting stuff always a productive thing?




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Help!I'maRock! said:
You could start with this music forum you post on daily.
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I am missing something? We don't have a new music thread here. Every once and a while new stuff gets slipped into my Spotify/Pandora channels. Way back when we had college radio, new music on 120 minutes, trading tapes/CD's with friends. These days I find more new stuff from hearing artist interviews on podcasts, or on Youtube channels I follow.
 
Somehow we survive without any (or few) recordings of pop music from the 19th century. Do you think in a hundred years music consumers will have any interest in 85% of the music we now consider important from the last measly 50 years? How many bands can you name that were contemporaries of Jelly Roll Morton and his Red Hot Peppers? 3 if you're a jazz fan?


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rickenvox said:
Somehow we survive without any (or few) recordings of pop music from the 19th century. Do you think in a hundred years music consumers will have any interest in 85% of the music we now consider important from the last measly 50 years? How many bands can you name that were contemporaries of Jelly Roll Morton and his Red Hot Peppers? 3 if you're a jazz fan?


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Not to mention this happened 11 years ago. The world still turns.
 
Highernoon said:
That doesn't sound surprising.
But I should've fact-check before posting this, I meant Jim Jones, for some reason I thought it was Jonas :facepalm:
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I thought you were going to say because Jonas got eaten by a whale. Is that not metal enough?

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That's quite goregrind indeed.
And only now I know that in English he is also called Jonas.

And IIRC he prevented the destruction of a city, that's not metal (maybe if that city was Sodom or Gomorrah).
 
Chad said:
I'm surprised they weren't digitized. Tape has a finite life span. A friend of mine, who went to recording school, got his first job at the national archives. His job was to take all the old master tapes of presidential speeches and any other historical recordings and digitized them before the tape was done. Some of those masters were probably useless at the time of the fire.
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Maybe some of it was useless at that point. And that gets into the preservation point of the article also. And the view of the gentleman interviewed who used to do a lot of the work. Preservation, as best as possible, of the original recordings, To me is of value. And the fact that it was more or less covered up in plain sight via spin from the company, is annoying to me. To me those recordings are a form of art, and access to the original recordings, as best as can be preserved , Brings that art to life much like the difference between a reproduction of some form of visual art versus the actual paint work on display in a museum. None of this has anything to do with whether or not there is a valuable new music. Much like preserving old paintings has nothing to do with the value of new visual art. In my mind at least.
 
rickenvox said:
I think the simple point was - is any of this material not already in print or digitized? If we've only lost the ability to remaster or publish outtakes then I think civilization will survive. I periodically notice that I probably own more books than I could ever read in my lifetime. Is collecting stuff always a productive thing?




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A lot of it was never printed, or printed in any form that is worth listening to. That is part of the point. Also, preserving the analog and/or digital recordings in their original form as an archive does have value from an artistic point of view, or so is my opinion. Of course market value is different and there is no financial incentive at this point for these companies to do this preservation work.
 
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reverend1 said:
Not to mention this happened 11 years ago. The world still turns.
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And was spun and buried 11 years ago. The extent of what was lost is just now coming to light. Take a read of the article. It it is some pretty compelling stuff that was lost. in my opinion.
 
Highernoon said:
That doesn't sound surprising.
But I should've fact-check before posting this, I meant Jim Jones, for some reason I thought it was Jonas :facepalm:
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So... The Jim Jones Brothers?

That could be pretty metal. It also leads to...

The Jonas Brothers Town Massacre

...which wouldn't be a bad album title.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Maybe some of it was useless at that point. And that gets into the preservation point of the article also. And the view of the gentleman interviewed who used to do a lot of the work. Preservation, as best as possible, of the original recordings, To me is of value. And the fact that it was more or less covered up in plain sight via spin from the company, is annoying to me. To me those recordings are a form of art, and access to the original recordings, as best as can be preserved , Brings that art to life much like the difference between a reproduction of some form of visual art versus the actual paint work on display in a museum. None of this has anything to do with whether or not there is a valuable new music. Much like preserving old paintings has nothing to do with the value of new visual art. In my mind at least.
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I don't disagree with any of your points, but have one minor counterpoint: I've only seen the actual Mona Lisa at the Louvre, but I've never heard a master tape of the Coltrane Impulse albums, while I own each one and have spent hours listening to each one. Unlike the Louvre, the master tapes are not the medium or location for people to consume/enjoy that art.


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