WTF: The Day the Music Burned.

I read that this morning and found it quite depressing. It's bad enough to lose the masters of so many historic recordings, but it's the loss of stuff that was never released or released in extremely low quantities that really hurts. And much of what remains is "undiscoverable" as it's tucked away in a secure site where it's not cataloged properly.

The example of Don Bennett was a particularly good one, as he's known mainly as the session singer who sang lead for the Chocolate Watch Band's first LP, which itself is kind of obscure. His solo stuff was previously unknown to me, and now exists only on scarce vinyl.
 
that's why they shoulda backed up to the cloud :cop:

In seriousness though I never read the article BUT how much traditional music was lost before recorded music existed ? Then again there were no "stars" but I'm sure great music and performance still exsisted. but to address Tralfaz's post above ....quote...."but it's the loss of stuff that was never released or released in extremely low quantities that really hurts"....end quote.....I mean it is sad but again the stuff that was lost before recorded music....that's life. the great thing is there's always great new stuff. I firmly believe there is no "golden era" for anything. there exsists great stuff from all time periods......and there's great music in the future. I'm not gonna lose sleep over something that was never released in the first place or something so ultra rare that only a few privelaged heard anyway....it is what it is.
 
I firmly believe there is no "golden era" for anything
You must humble your taste before the well-known fact that golden eras of everything were between the end of WW2 to the end of the 1980's (f@#k, do I feel old for writing 1980's)
 
Did we talk about this yet? Huge bummer. To me, that is a loss of very important art, much like if the Louvre burned. But these master recordings are not treated like original paintings or works of art. Sigh.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/...U4DpyylAzJ2afv0kuoYmzbs2skg6K-pxlMS8pdS7ORVwc

I've gotta believe the Louvre burning would be exponentially more catastrophic. This actually saves us from buying the 3rd or 4th remastered version of A Love Supreme. Exact reason archived films have been mostly converted to digital, the physical celluloid has a limited life span.
 
Maybe we'll all have to listen to new music now. Oh noes.

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um....yes, terrible loss.
but it happened in 2008. :shrug:
kinda my point in a very roundabout way :embarrassed: so that's 11 years ago.....can anybody say their lives are less because these masters aren't still sitting in a warehaouse collecting dust (the answer is no). So TL/DR...it doesn't really matter.
 
Sheesh people, at least read the article before proclaiming the loss to be "no big deal." Sure, most people don't care if a soulless music corporation can't make a tidy profit on yet another collection of John Coltrane music. But do you really believe that the destruction of the master recordings of Buddy Holly near-entire career is trivial? Or the loss of Chuck Berry's master recordings? Or the Chess back catalog?

Moreover, much of the older music we now hold in esteem comes from a re-evaluation that's happened over the years. Tastes change, and when we go back we discover things that missed the mark at the time but now seem prophetic and influential. So yes, the disappearance of tracks that hardly made a ripple 40 years ago is a potential tragedy. And sure, people have listened to Robert Johnson for years despite his legacy surviving only as tinny 78's, but wouldn't it be nice if it were otherwise? Who are the Robert Johnsons of the past 50 years waiting to be rediscovered and appreciated? Wouldn't it be better to have clean recordings rather than transcriptions from poorly pressed styrene 45's?

The ignorance and callousness on display in this thread is appalling, especially coming from musicians.
 
Sheesh people, at least read the article before proclaiming the loss to be "no big deal." Sure, most people don't care if a soulless music corporation can't make a tidy profit on yet another collection of John Coltrane music. But do you really believe that the destruction of the master recordings of Buddy Holly near-entire career is trivial? Or the loss of Chuck Berry's master recordings? Or the Chess back catalog?

Moreover, much of the older music we now hold in esteem comes from a re-evaluation that's happened over the years. Tastes change, and when we go back we discover things that missed the mark at the time but now seem prophetic and influential. So yes, the disappearance of tracks that hardly made a ripple 40 years ago is a potential tragedy. And sure, people have listened to Robert Johnson for years despite his legacy surviving only as tinny 78's, but wouldn't it be nice if it were otherwise? Who are the Robert Johnsons of the past 50 years waiting to be rediscovered and appreciated? Wouldn't it be better to have clean recordings rather than transcriptions from poorly pressed styrene 45's?

The ignorance and callousness on display in this thread is appalling, especially coming from musicians.

I'm not sure I understand the issue. I don't know much about recording, but it's not like any of this music is lost forever. It exists in other formats. Wouldn't it be easier to remaster from a digital format anyway? I don't know that's why I'm asking.
 
Yes, there is no new music being made on instruments. :facepalm:
Of course there is, but very little popular music. I used to love pop music when I was growing up. Micheal Jackson, Prince,tons of great stuff and variety. Not so much anymore. Hell, the new rap music doesn't even have a beat or rhythm anymore. It just people talking and going "yeah! or Uhh!" over weird noises. Or you have this EDM stuff that is completely soulless dreck.

Sure there's tons of great new music out there, but it's hard to find. And the general public doesn't;t want to hear you play songs they don't know. Even when it's one of their favorite bands playing songs from a new album.
 
I'm surprised they weren't digitized. Tape has a finite life span. A friend of mine, who went to recording school, got his first job at the national archives. His job was to take all the old master tapes of presidential speeches and any other historical recordings and digitized them before the tape was done. Some of those masters were probably useless at the time of the fire.
 
I'm not sure I understand the issue. I don't know much about recording, but it's not like any of this music is lost forever. It exists in other formats. Wouldn't it be easier to remaster from a digital format anyway? I don't know that's why I'm asking.
A lot of it is lost forever because it was never released. And not everything released before the digital age was subsequently preserved digitally or re-released on CD. Quite a bit of it only exists on vinyl, and pretty bad vinyl at that. The mid-60's through early 70's were awash with singles coming out on styrene, which sounds like utter tinny shit. And I've seen pretty bad decay on even supposedly "good" vinyl that's 30+ years old.
 
but very little popular music.
Let's look at the pop charts. The top pop song in the country right now is Jonas Brothers.

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number 2 is post malone.

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Ed Sheeran is a guitar player.

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Taylor Swift guitar.

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Shawn Mendes guitar

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Katy Perry

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Khalid

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5 Seconds to Summer

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Twenty One Pilots

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Mark Ronson

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Camila Cabello

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Let's look at the pop charts. The top pop song in the country right now is Jonas Brothers.

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number 2 is post malone.

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Ed Sheeran is a guitar player.

Ed-Sheeran-00-28VS-custom.jpg


Taylor Swift guitar.

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Shawn Mendes guitar

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Katy Perry

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Khalid

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5 Seconds to Summer

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Twenty One Pilots

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Mark Ronson

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Camila Cabello

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How is that calculated now? Streams?
 
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