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So Mark, I worked on those lessons you recommended to me yesterday via PM. I am really happy with them. I have a problem not understanding/applying the vertical nature of scales and so I am scared to move outside of the pentatonic box. I picked up some good stuff and really felt like I was playing after a few minutes of working on it. Good job on the lessons and thanks for the recommendations.

Cool!

I've always tried to work the lessons so that you don't need a music degree to understand them...

What damage Mark? .

just the HC lesson thread fiasco.

Hey guys:Wave: Been busy last day or so, and posting a little at HC but only a couple of times I swear.
I still really like this site for close and personal connections and HC for being a total dipshit.

:Wave:
 
Morning guys and gals. Ken, those protos are sweet. When you decide to sell them, let us know here on the boards first. I am sure some of us would be willing to spring for one if the timing works out.

So Mark, I worked on those lessons you recommended to me yesterday via PM. I am really happy with them. I have a problem not understanding/applying the vertical nature of scales and so I am scared to move outside of the pentatonic box. I picked up some good stuff and really felt like I was playing after a few minutes of working on it. Good job on the lessons and thanks for the recommendations.

Ellen, my Dad inherited a Chet Atkins Gretsch from his father in law (his 3rd wife, so no relation to me) a year or two ago and has the stinking thing squirreled away in his storage room. Doesn't even know if it works, what model it is other than it has chets name on it and has NEVER even played it! I keep begging him to bring it to me to check out and he won't. I am affraid it is setting in there rotting away from lack of care. I think his wife doesn't want it to leave the house personally. lol His Brazilian rosewood Martin D28 is setting right next to it I am sure. Never plays either of them. :cry:

That sucks! My Uncle Joe (Guitar Generation #2 in the family) is like that. He hardly plays anymore, and other than some classical guitar lessons grampa made him take when he was young, has always been a very basic rhythmn guitar player (bubble gum oldies and some modern pop country). The kicker is, that he has the guitar I loaned him long ago (for my cousin to learn guitar with), that grampa made for me when I was six, at least one of the full sized acoustics grampa made, and grampa's blonde, 1937 Epiphone Emperor (that gramp used when he played guitar in jazz gigs). I wish he'd pass on the guitar legacy to me, and give me back either my old guitar, or one of grampa's guitars, especially since I'm the only other person in the family, who even plays anymore. But noooo! Once he gets something in his hands, he never gives it back, or away. The kicker is, my mom told me that my uncle might not even have the guitars anymore. He had some tight financial times a few years ago, adnd may have possibly sold the guitars! :mad:

As for your father-in-law's Gretsch Chet Atkins (depending upon its age, it's either a G6119 [single cutaway, single pickup, red color], G6120 [the single cutaway, two pickups, orange color ], or G6122 [double cutaway]) - if it's 20 years old or older, it NEEDS to be taken out of its case, otherwise it could end up with binding rot. Basically binding rot is when the cellouloid or plastic bindings around the neck, headstock,and body, and the celluloid or plastic pickguard on older guitars basically start to crystallize, turn brown, and fall apart. This is due to the fact, that over time, celluloid or plastic emits gasses. If an guitar with s kept in its case all of the time, the gases emitted from the celluloid or plastic get trapped in the case, and start to attack the celluloid or plastic parts, causing binding rot. Besides the fact that binding rot decreases the value of a vintage guitar, it is expensive to replace the binding in a guitar's body, neck, or headstock.

If you get a chance, take a look at the guitar. If the bindings look dark brown, or dark yellowish brown, and are flaky, or cracked, binding rot is probably occurring. Here's a photo of a mandolin with binding rot.

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Here's a photo of an Ibby AR300 with a bad case of binding rot:

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Great info Ellen. I will call him today. I might just ask him if I can go pick it up next week and give it a once over. I am sure some pot cleaner, new strings and a good rub down is needed. It is apparently a mid sixties model according to what he was told, but I don't know. I have never seen it...
 
Morning, folks.

Binding rot.... ew.

Anyone else gassing for that apparently faux-"TV Yellow" Epi Les Paul Special w/ the P90s? I am. But I'm at a crossroads in my Gear Acquisition Strategy. I have a lot of nice, enjoyable guitars, but they are what most would classify as "cheapies". I keep promising myself that I am going to: 1) learn to play better, and 2) purge some of my lesser used cheapies and start saving up for more expensive guitars. But then something like this Epi comes along and my self control is waning. I really oughta just stay away from HCEG.
 
Ellen, question. If the guitar is removed from the case and binding rot has begun, does it stop or will it continue once the binding has been exposed to the gasses?
 
Morning, folks.

Binding rot.... ew.

Anyone else gassing for that apparently faux-"TV Yellow" Epi Les Paul Special w/ the P90s? I am. But I'm at a crossroads in my Gear Acquisition Strategy. I have a lot of nice, enjoyable guitars, but they are what most would classify as "cheapies". I keep promising myself that I am going to: 1) learn to play better, and 2) purge some of my lesser used cheapies and start saving up for more expensive guitars. But then something like this Epi comes along and my self control is waning. I really oughta just stay away from HCEG.

I'm definitely a fan of "fewer and nicer" instruments, provided they are what speak to you musically.
 
Morning, folks.

Binding rot.... ew.

Anyone else gassing for that apparently faux-"TV Yellow" Epi Les Paul Special w/ the P90s? I am. But I'm at a crossroads in my Gear Acquisition Strategy. I have a lot of nice, enjoyable guitars, but they are what most would classify as "cheapies". I keep promising myself that I am going to: 1) learn to play better, and 2) purge some of my lesser used cheapies and start saving up for more expensive guitars. But then something like this Epi comes along and my self control is waning. I really oughta just stay away from HCEG.

You know my acquisitions have changed too. I sold two electrics to buy my T5 and I am actually more satisfied with my collection right now. I have considered selling my Taylor 410 since I have the T5 and my Seagull mini-jumbo, but I just can't do it. I have just realized that a couple quality instruments are going to get more play time than a bunch of wall decorations. I had been wanting one of the semi-hollow LP style Xaviers, but I just don't see them getting more use than my current line up.

My other guitars are a parts Tele that my middle daughter and I reliced (it looked like it had been dropped down the stairs when we got it), a 1965 Fender Mustang and a 1932 Gibson L-00 (which is a case queen that hardly ever gets played due to questionable tuners). I am very satisfied with my gear at the moment and have been successful with avoiding additional purchases.
 
Great info Ellen. I will call him today. I might just ask him if I can go pick it up next week and give it a once over. I am sure some pot cleaner, new strings and a good rub down is needed. It is apparently a mid sixties model according to what he was told, but I don't know. I have never seen it...

Good luck. Hopefully it doesn't have binding rot occurring. You can stop it, but it can't be reversed. If it's far enough advanced, trying to aggressively clean it off, can actually cause binding material to come off the guitar in chunks! If it is a 60s model, it's probably one of these two:


6122 Country Gentleman (Chet's main axe)
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or a 6119 Tennesean (which was commonly called a Chet Atkins Model back in the 60s, even though Chet didn't play them)

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And yes, the f-holes on many 60s Gretsch hollowbodies are painted on. Gretsch removed the f-holes from some of their hollowbody models to fight feedback (Chet did NOT like the fact that they did so!)

BTW, your Gibson L-00 is also susceptible to binding rot, since it's a case queen. Try to give it some time out of its case. It doesn't have to be out all of the time, but at least for a little while every now and then to slow, or stop it from happening.
 
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Yeah, he said the F-holes are painted on if he remembers correctly. Great info. You are a fount of knowledge. :thu:
 
You know my acquisitions have changed too. I sold two electrics to buy my T5 and I am actually more satisfied with my collection right now. I have considered selling my Taylor 410 since I have the T5 and my Seagull mini-jumbo, but I just can't do it. I have just realized that a couple quality instruments are going to get more play time than a bunch of wall decorations. I had been wanting one of the semi-hollow LP style Xaviers, but I just don't see them getting more use than my current line up.

My other guitars are a parts Tele that my middle daughter and I reliced (it looked like it had been dropped down the stairs when we got it), a 1965 Fender Mustang and a 1932 Gibson L-00 (which is a case queen that hardly ever gets played due to questionable tuners). I am very satisfied with my gear at the moment and have been successful with avoiding additional purchases.

I'm definitely a fan of "fewer and nicer" instruments, provided they are what speak to you musically.

Thanks, gents. You are boosting my resolve to stand pat. Maybe I should take the $350 and spend it on... LESSONS instead!
 
Thanks, gents. You are boosting my resolve to stand pat. Maybe I should take the $350 and spend it on... LESSONS instead!

Either that or sell some cheapies, put the $350 with money raised from said cheapies, buy something really nice and come be Poserville royalty like me! :cool: Lessons are free here anyway.
 
Either that or sell some cheapies, put the $350 with money raised from said cheapies, buy something really nice and come be Poserville royalty like me! :cool: Lessons are free here anyway.

Yeah, moving on up from Poserville serfdom might be nice :) I need to find a good place to start with Mark's lessons and start digging in.
 
Morning, folks.

Binding rot.... ew.

Anyone else gassing for that apparently faux-"TV Yellow" Epi Les Paul Special w/ the P90s? I am. But I'm at a crossroads in my Gear Acquisition Strategy. I have a lot of nice, enjoyable guitars, but they are what most would classify as "cheapies". I keep promising myself that I am going to: 1) learn to play better, and 2) purge some of my lesser used cheapies and start saving up for more expensive guitars. But then something like this Epi comes along and my self control is waning. I really oughta just stay away from HCEG.

why would ya?

tv yellow gibson double cut les paul specials can still be had on ebay for 600-700...save a few more bucks and get something special

and howdy all, i never post before noon local time...thats when i get to work
 
Afternoon all - HH, Ellen, Yavin, Zemmy, Mark, RoseP, Matt,

It is fun to think about what to do with with the profit sharing money. Have fun with that Ellen.

RE: PRS - we have some PRS lovers here, and some not so in love. I am not any kind of PRS champion - but I LURV my PRS SE Tremonti - the little time I've had to play it.

RE: HC 1.0 - I have visited a few times. I am only interested right now in wishing HNGD's, checking the SPAM, and Great Deals. I have absolutely no interest in taking up any controversys over there. Very burned out on that.

Just a friendly plug for the thread Mark started - search on "Songfest" - about a dozen members have posted original songs, and prefomrances on that thread. I was pretty fascinated by what was posted. For example, JJ Pistols submission was not what I expected. Anyway - if you have spare time - check it out.

Gotta get back to work.

Later,

- w
 
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