OMG Politics, I'm over it already.
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jp_nyc
Kick Henry Jackassowski
Natural gas won’t take off like that unless the government subsidizes the entire supply chain, and there are too many deficit hawks in the GOP to do that (unless they can tie it to killing brown people). The problem with fracking is that it’s expensive to do it. They’re not just digging deep holes. They’re digging deep holes, then digging sideways a long distance, pumping liquids in, taking stuff out, and dealing with the radioactive waste water. So if they frack enough CNG to push the price down then it stops being profitable. The fracking economy is a myth just like clean coal.
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where do you get the "radioactive" waste water? i've never heard of that before.
Johnny N.
Kick Henry Jackassowski
At the risk of being called out for false equivalence, some of you guys are starting to look just as crazy as the fired up Trump supporters. I honestly don't see a difference. It goes back to my point many pages ago that the two party or two sides system has gotten out of hand. Each team wants to be right so bad they will take any piece of information they can to try to destroy the other team, facts be damned.
Aside from the meaningful discussions about the future of energy anyway. I dont' know enough to join in but you guys have given some good stuff to get started on research.
Aside from the meaningful discussions about the future of energy anyway. I dont' know enough to join in but you guys have given some good stuff to get started on research.
Dogsinplastic
avuncular to no one
How is an increase in public displays of prejudice/racism "right" in any light? Especially when those people responsible are openly associating it with their support of Trump?
How is having a person that has never done any public service in our highest office beneficial to either "side"?
How is regressing to WW II and Cold War era xenophobia, 1950's misogyny, Crow-era racial/ethnic profiling ("Mexicans"), and religious profiling ("Muslims") something that is "crazy" to be upset about?
Trump didn't address the LGBTQ community with any negativity, but our VP-elect believes that you can "pray away the gay"...where is there a place for this in our society? Let alone in mind of man that is a heartbeat away from the Presidency?
How are the people that are being appointed (or floated for appointment) including folks that have:
- ran a news agency with upfront clear bias, regularly disseminating inaccurate news about the "left" and "liberals" while displaying white-supremacy/alt-right ties (chief strategist/senior counselor)
- never taught or worked in or with public schools and have no faith in public education and are talking about dismantling the depart (Dept of Ed)
- a man a GOP-led group said is too prejudicial in his public opinions for appointment as federal judge (AG)
- people with no real federal government experience or foreign policy experience OR others that had were part of foreign policy that literally dismissed the UN (Sec of State)
- people that have been openly anti-environment or do not believe in global warming (Sec of Interior and EPA)
and so on beneficial to the society we've built over the last 240 years?
These aren't just basic ideals that people generally have different perspectives on, these are huge issues that have been purposely avoided in politics for decades. This is a new level of cronyism...prejudice, qualifications, and any sense of objectivity be damned.
It's been a clusterfuck since Trump was being taken seriously by the public, took a horrible ramp up when he won the nomination (and all those Republicans and conservatives that were more worried about their futures should he win than disagreeing with a vile human who kept saying and promising vile things), and lastly has gone ballistic now that this man actually won the Presidency. Per information from both sides and his public actions, it is clear that he:
- didn't really think he'd win (even when the Dems started to realize that things might not work out...which started to happen within the last few weeks of the campaign),
- did not fully grasp the scope of the Presidency
- can't contain his outbursts
- is already reneging on campaign "promises"
- is endlessly hypocritical
and, again, so much more.
I've really got to stop coming here, but this is highly abnormal. He's not just another Republican/conservative. He courted and empowered an electorate using hate and fear and lies as the driving forces and IT FUCKING WORKED! That is insane and speaks so poorly to this nation. The right's reaction to Obama was a remains baseless. Fact and recent history have already dismissed their unfounded and unwarranted concerns. The economy has greatly improved during his administrations and the unemployment rate has returned to pre-recession rates under his watch.
No one lost their guns.
He was born in the U.S.
He is a Christian and NOT a Muslim, BUT it would be okay if he were.
He is not a racist against whites or any other group.
He was NEVER a threat to anything other than racists that couldn't handle a black person being President.
Trump is not just another politician that has won the Presidency. He didn't win it by inspiring belief in our nation's positives and that ability to accentuate them or to add new positives. Instead he played to the basest hateful, fearful, disillusioned instincts of our nation and convinced tens of millions of people that our country was shit and getting worse. Getting them to believe that the only way to fix is shut our borders, make sure to be wary of "those" people, keep a woman from attaining our highest office, minimize diplomatic ties with almost everyone but Russia (never a traditional "ally"), dismantle a healthcare system that is actually working, potentially dismantle our educational system (WTF?!?), and more.
This was the anti-HOPE campaign. And again, if fucking worked. How fucked is that? How is a rational human being feeling disgusted by that in anyway even slightly as crazy as buying into all that negativity?
These aren't two-sides of the same coin. They're not even the same currency.
The right talks about "the bubble", what the fuck are they living in? Open Utopia? We all have our bubbles, but our nation usually strives to make them more open and friendly to all. This time around people basically said fuck that, fuck them, fuck you, and fuck off to tolerance and acceptance. It's repugnant. It goes against the foundations of our nation and the constitution. The idolized Reagan and Scalia would not have been in favor of this. Scalia was conservative, but was extremely smart and knew the constitution and constitutional law as well as any SCOTUS justice. He used it and its principles to guide his decisions. Similarly Reagan was conservative and, yes he made many a poor decision, but he also saw the benefit of accepting those that sought a life and refuge in the U.S. He also realized that gun control was something that needed to happen. He saw the writing on the wall and progressed as needed (albeit not enough). This upcoming administration lauds these two men while miring themselves in a machine of regression.
We'll see how well this works for our nation. Right now, it's not promising.
Sorry folks...
I'd be curious to know what facts you think the Democrats are misrepresenting to their advantage.
Johnny N.
Kick Henry Jackassowski
Read your post and tell me how it differs from these statements. Not to single you out but it's my point about anti-Trump rants. Regardless of agreement on any issue, the tactics are the same. Hate and fear sprinkled with some exaggeration and a dash of truth. I just don't know how it is helpful.
Another example, it was mentioned on an earlier post that it was not going to be legal to beat and kill gays. Really? And I don't for one minute believe that we are going back to keeping women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and kicking anyone who is brown out of our country. I will agree that there are people who believe that way but they did long before this election and would regardless of who won.
And seriously, reneging on campaign promises and endlessly hypocritical is on the job description to hold office. I see it local elections.
I understand people being upset this guy is going to be our President. I'm upset he is going to be our President. It's embarrassing. But as I mentioned many pages ago, it's our fault. We collectively have bought into the R vs. D, liberal vs. conservative, or whatever labels we use and drew the lines and pushed them farter apart. And we bought into those being our only options. Social media allows us to argue and post any bit of news, real or fake, to prove our point. many of the biggest online fights were started by bad information.
So my original reason for jumping in the thread was to ask when it was time to stop hurling insults and start talking about how to fix important issues, one of which may be to eliminate special interest influence over politics. I can't even think of a way to do it but I don't ever see it being anything other than politics until we do. Then we can talk about what issues to address and how to fix them. I guess my hope is there are enough people closer to the middle of the road who can create some good dialogue.
Help!I'maRock!
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Johnny N.
Kick Henry Jackassowski
Not so much a republican/democrat thing although politicians have been using lies to their advantage for years. You've heard the jokes. Was more referring to those passionate people on either side of the fence and the fact that they will take any bit of news that shows up on the internet and blow them into something they aren't. Like the example of supreme court justice appointments leading to legally murdering gay people. And I don't think any of it is to anyone's advantage. Some may be trying to win an un-winnable argument though.
Your exact words: "Each team wants to be right so bad they will take any piece of information they can to try to destroy the other team, facts be damned."
Again, I'd be curious as to what facts the Democrats have ignored or misrepresented to destroy the other side. What "bit of news" has the Democrats blown into something they aren't?
Johnny N.
Kick Henry Jackassowski
Just do it. Seems simple enough, no?
Seems like it but oddly enough, not so much. I know it is a naïve statement to make but I think it is just as naïve to keep waiting for some President to save the day.
Johnny N.
Kick Henry Jackassowski
Well, I gave you an example but I guess another could be taking the fact that a guy owns a conservative news outlet and drawing a line to him being a white supremacist. I've looked at the site and it doesn't suggest anything of the sort. It actually includes an article by a Jewish journalist who I assume contributes to the site dispelling any such thing. Or outrage over Trump talking about making flag burning illegal. I definitely agree with the criticism of doing it by tweet but it's not a new thing for someone in office to propose such a thing. Senator Clinton did exactly that in 2005. I understand it was a compromise bill in response to a more aggressive approach but she still sponsored a bill that would give jail time for burning a flag.
Just examples. You've seen it all go on for the last several months. How many times have you seen people react strongly to something that comes out on the internet only to find out it was exaggerated or completely false?
BlockInlay
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I don't think anyone expects a President to save the day. There is an expectation that the person holding the office will not do what ever the opposite of "save the day" is. Ruin the day?
sonik
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Theodore
I gotta move
Now you are saying something different. First, you claimed that both sides were misrepresenting facts, and when I asked for examples from the Democrats, you offer Democrats being outraged over Trumps flag burning law as an example.
First, I don't think there's "outrage" on the part of any Democrats. There is a pointing out that Trump is disingenuous in his support of such a law since the Supreme Court has already ruled flag burning as protected speech.
Second, you are attempting to downplay the negative aspects of Trumps flag burning law by comparison to Clinton's support of the 2005 flag burning law. The 2005 law makes it a crime to burn a flag primarily to incite violence. Big difference there.
Second, Democrats may have expressed a negative opinion, but they haven't misrepresented any facts in expressing said opinion.
Bannon has discussed genetic superiority of some races over others, and when asked how that relates to his black long time assistant, he replied, "that's different - she's family". He has suggested that only property owners should vote. He has said that Breitbart is a "platform for the alt-right". So while Bannon may not be a card carrying KKK member, his publicly stated views are certainly troubling for someone in the White house staff.
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