OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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wagdog said:
Re: France - they had two mass shootings recently. The point is, even in heavily disarmed France, terrorists were able to obtain modern weapons and use them. In US cities with the strictest gun control, there is still a very high rate of crimes committed with guns and shootings (see Chicago).

The definition of a mass shooting recently changed from people killed to people shot. I'll still agree that one person shot is too many, but the changing of definition was done to support the "gun epidemic" story.
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Huh, the definition of mass shooting I saw and used was 4 people killed and that can include the gunman.

Yes, even if all guns were outlawed, some people would still get them and commit crimes with them. It is still illegal for a person to kill someone with a knife, but people still do it, so should we just make murder legal?

Again, I am not for getting rid of all guns, but there needs to be something done. It is far too easy for a questionable person to get them.

I don't see why it would be so bad to obtain a firearms license like a drivers license. There is a background check, a safety class, shooting class, then once you obtain the license, you can buy guns. As many as you want. There can even be license classes, like with driving. Assault riffles are a Class C license that take a little more training. I keep seeing picture of folks in Home Depot carrying rifles, I know I wold feel safer if I knew they had some kind of training before they were able to purchase it and walk around a hardware store. :grin:
 
wagdog said:
Very good points about what an AR is and isn't.

The other statistic nobody likes to talk about is that rifles in general are used in a very small percentage of homicides. This nytimes article discusses that fact: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html?_r=0
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Yeah, that is true. The thing that sticks with me the most about the mass shootings, is the randomness. Most homicides the killer knows the victim. The mass shootings are the ones I want gone first. I don't want to worry that when I drop my kids off at school, someone is going to walk in with a semi-automatic weapon and mow them down.
 
wagdog said:
Re: France - they had two mass shootings recently. The point is, even in heavily disarmed France, terrorists were able to obtain modern weapons and use them. In US cities with the strictest gun control, there is still a very high rate of crimes committed with guns and shootings (see Chicago).

The definition of a mass shooting recently changed from people killed to people shot. I'll still agree that one person shot is too many, but the changing of definition was done to support the "gun epidemic" story.
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The fact that the definition of a mass shooting had to be changed is really dumb. The fact that the change is politicized is sick.
 
Chad said:
Assault riffles are a Class C license that take a little more training.
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True assault rifles do require special licenses and they are fairly expensive and require a good deal of time invested in obtaining that license.

Your average nut job isn't going to go through that much trouble.

The problem is that what most people consider an "assault rifle" is really just a regular rifle that looks like a machine gun.

I'm much more worried about the fact that WV just passed a law allowing concealed carry without a permit than I am about being attacked by a mad man with an AR-15. At least requiring a concealed carry permit requires that the person carrying passes a safety course.

Of course, Mrs. P and I have often commented about the fact that we can be driving down the road and pass someone carrying a rifle or a shotgun, and rather than being worried about what they are up to, we just figure they were out hunting. By the same measure, when we see someone open carrying in Walmart, we automatically assume they are a vigilante that is just hoping for the opportunity to pull his gun.
 
Prages said:
I'm much more worried about the fact that WV just passed a law allowing concealed carry without a permit than I am about being attacked by a mad man with an AR-15. At least requiring a concealed carry permit requires that the person carrying passes a safety course.
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I bet 9 out of 10 of those folks will end up shooting themselves Plaxico style, before injuring someone else. Still, that tenth guy does warrant some worry.
 
I applied for and received a concealed pistol license a few years ago. It required some amount of training and testing. Fee's of course too. Also fingerprinting and a background check. On the written exam there were a few questions that could be considered psychological in nature, but nothing much really.

While I'm confident in my own abilities I would definitely say that overall the process and checks were not intensive enough. I believe in essence the difficulty, training, and checks should be doubled from what I experienced.

I also think the same goes for driving licenses :lol:
 
Prages said:
I'm much more worried about the fact that WV just passed a law allowing concealed carry without a permit than I am about being attacked by a mad man with an AR-15. At least requiring a concealed carry permit requires that the person carrying passes a safety course.

Of course, Mrs. P and I have often commented about the fact that we can be driving down the road and pass someone carrying a rifle or a shotgun, and rather than being worried about what they are up to, we just figure they were out hunting. By the same measure, when we see someone open carrying in Walmart, we automatically assume they are a vigilante that is just hoping for the opportunity to pull his gun.
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Yes, Idaho just did that too. It bothers me quite a bit.

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/pe...ittee-sent-to-idaho-house/Content?oid=3741834
 
I owned an AR-15 from 1980 until 1993. The upcoming Clinton assault rifle ban spurred gun sales, and since I had no reason to keep the AR, I sold it for triple the price I paid. I couldn't pass up flipping it for profit, even though it wasn't on the ban list.

.223 ammo was pretty cheap in those days, so I even bought a 90-rounder. The weight of the 90 made it very cumbersome, even with a team sling. I shot several thousand rounds through the AR over the years, just targets and a few defenseless water jugs. It was completely useless for anything else, including home defense. Like the extreme majority of assault rifles (yes, it IS one even without the easy to buy 3-shot/full auto kit), I'll openly admit that it was a fucking toy for big boys to play with. Nothing more. In the wrong hands, it would be devastating. There is no need for full auto at all if used by someone well trained or well acquainted.
 
Prages said:
True assault rifles do require special licenses and they are fairly expensive and require a good deal of time invested in obtaining that license.

Your average nut job isn't going to go through that much trouble.

The problem is that what most people consider an "assault rifle" is really just a regular rifle that looks like a machine gun.

I'm much more worried about the fact that WV just passed a law allowing concealed carry without a permit than I am about being attacked by a mad man with an AR-15. At least requiring a concealed carry permit requires that the person carrying passes a safety course.

Of course, Mrs. P and I have often commented about the fact that we can be driving down the road and pass someone carrying a rifle or a shotgun, and rather than being worried about what they are up to, we just figure they were out hunting. By the same measure, when we see someone open carrying in Walmart, we automatically assume they are a vigilante that is just hoping for the opportunity to pull his gun.
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That is scary that you can conceal carry with no permit.
 
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