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I'm a 2nd Amendment hater.

I have no problem with hunting zones, homes, or businesses (shooting ranges, film sets) having guns.

But I'd be totally fine with people caught with a gun in a vehicle or a public space being punished, unless they're unloaded and locked in a case.

And I have zero support for handguns or automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

Either way, I see it as a privilege, never as a right.
 
mongooz said:
major disagree. i don't support that asshole, but i don't think curtailing the bill of rights is the answer.
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It's already been curtailed. The 2nd amendment is clearly meant in the context of a "well-regulated militia" and that part of the amendment has been utterly disposed of in modern times. You really think that dude in the video is part of any "well regulated militia"?
 
VoidTerraFirma said:
It's already been curtailed. The 2nd amendment is clearly meant in the context of a "well-regulated militia" and that part of the amendment has been utterly disposed of in modern times. You really think that dude in the video is part of any "well regulated militia"?
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apparently your interpretation is not the same as SCOTUS.
i'm not going to stay in this thread and argue the 2nd amendment. i don't support that asshole in the video, but i'm not going to support the elimination of the right to keep and bear arms.

see ya.
i'm out.
 
mongooz said:
major disagree. i don't support that asshole, but i don't think curtailing the bill of rights is the answer.
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While I don't have a problem with people owning guns, I do have a problem with the 2nd amendment. It was written right after we won our independence from England because Joes off the street took their guns and fought. That is not possible today. I don't care what group you get, they aren't over throwing the US government. That uprising would last as long as it took some guy in an office to get the drone over to stop it. Couple that with the type of guns that were available when the amendment was written and it is even a little more odd. Single shot guns that took what, minute to reload? Not guns that can fire off a ton of bullets in the blink of an eye.

My grandfather was a hunter, I was taught to shoot and take care of a gun when I was a kid. I know a ton of folks that own guns and I can't imagine why anyone who does not have the intention of gunning down a bunch of innocent people would have a problem with some kind of screening before the purchase of a firearm, even some kind of gun safety class, it seems like common sense to me. I can't get a license to drive a car in VA without taking a class and having so many hours behind the wheel of a car with an instructor riding shotgun. I know way more people are killed in car accidents than with guns, but a car's job is not to kill a gun's is.

Also, the second amendment has been curtailed. Convicted felons can't own guns.
 
Chad said:
While I don't have a problem with people owning guns, I do have a problem with the 2nd amendment. It was written right after we won our independence from England because Joes off the street took their guns and fought. That is not possible today. I don't care what group you get, they aren't over throwing the US government.
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Tell that to the Vietnamese.
Or the Afghans.
Or the Iraqis.

At the time of the American Revolution, England was one of the two greatest military powers in the world. They were defeated in large part by farmers with guns. You can argue that French military involvement brought the war to an end, but the Patriots fought the first half of the war alone.

Chad said:
, the second amendment has been curtailed. Convicted felons can't own guns.
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Convicted felons lose certain rights (including the right to vote) due to their conviction. In other words, they lose the rights as a result of their actions, the rights haven't been arbitrarily taken away.
 
Beyer160 said:
Tell that to the Vietnamese.
Or the Afghans.
Or the Iraqis.

At the time of the American Revolution, England was one of the two greatest military powers in the world. They were defeated in large part by farmers with guns. You can argue that French military involvement brought the war to an end, but the Patriots fought the first half of the war alone.
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England may have had a great military, but how long did it take troops to get to the US? Did they have planes? Tanks? No, the only weapons they had were the same one the US farmers had. If you think armed guys can over throw the US government, you are crazy. All the assault rifles in the world will do nothing against a fighter jet or a tank.
 
Again, I am sorry that I broached this particular topic, which had not been discussed much, if at all, here. We have been having a pretty decent discussion about politics overall. This topic is just too much. I would again ask that we just leave it alone and go back to the other sometimes also stunning, but less inflammatory, politics.
 
Flamencology said:
I'm a 2nd Amendment hater.

I have no problem with hunting zones, homes, or businesses (shooting ranges, film sets) having guns.

But I'd be totally fine with people caught with a gun in a vehicle or a public space being punished, unless they're unloaded and locked in a case.

And I have zero support for handguns or automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

Either way, I see it as a privilege, never as a right.
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Totally with and will add that the Constitution is a living document. It was designed to be changed as needed, and there was never a notion that those changes couldn't come way of subtraction.

And who the fuck in their right mind can't agree on keeping ALL guns out of the hands of suspected terrorists or people on watch and no fly lists. Holy shit that's a no brainer. And fuck a club with a mere five million membership have such a strangle hold on just about the entirety of the Republican party. That's total bullshit, regardless of what they support or hate.
 
Let's not forget the role that "Liberal Hollywood" has played. Basically every movie made for the last 60 years features a white guy with a magic gun that saves the day. The same fucking movie...over and over and over again. It's fucking brainwashing of the highest order from cradle to grave.

But Hollywood is liberal, dontcha know!
 
Yeah, lists of people who haven't committed a crime is the way to solve a society-wide problem. How many people on the ever-so-American terror watchlist have carried out a mass shooting? 1?

It's typical "if we scapegoat foreigners/brown people/mooslims we can ignore our heinous problem until next time" bullshit.

Either ban guns you can mow down a crowd of people with or don't and face the consequences.

And I'm not arguing about it either :embarrassed:. That's all I have to say.
 
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Thee 2a enumerates an individual right, just like all of the amendments in the Bill of Rights are individual rights. It's unfortunate some of you don't like it. It's a right, not a requirement: you can simply choose not to avail yourself of it. The "militia" clause is the subject of many debates and I doubt we're going to change anyone's mind about it here. The SC has upheld that the 2a is an individual's right.

As far as banning something and thinking it's going to make you safer... sorry, the genie is out of the bottle. Criminals aren't going to care if something is illegal to possess (they're criminals). It isn't going to be illegaler to murder with a banned weapon and you aren't going be any less or more dead. Removing my right to own a particular weapon doesn't make me safer.
 
New law: Only Mormons can have firearms.








You won't be so quick to turn away those poor kids at your door next time now will you?

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wagdog said:
As far as banning something and thinking it's going to make you safer... sorry, the genie is out of the bottle. Criminals aren't going to care if something is illegal to possess (they're criminals). It isn't going to be illegaler to murder with a banned weapon and you aren't going be any less or more dead. Removing my right to own a particular weapon doesn't make me safer.
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So what has the rest of the world done that worked? I don't want to debate the gun issue but I think we can all agree all of these mass shootings are not acceptable. When I keep seeing them happening, I can't believe this is happening in the US. I expect this kind of stuff to happen in the middle east, but not here.

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