sonik
Motor City Madman
Yes please. Looks like a fun way to die.
OMG Politics, I'm over it already.
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Yes please. Looks like a fun way to die.
sonik
Motor City Madman
I saw my first Trump lawn sign today. In a pretty solidly middle class and diverse neighbourhood.
So far this year I've seen 1 Hillary lawn sign, and 2 bumper stickers.
1 Trump lawn sign and 3 bumper stickers.
About a dozen Bernie lawn signs and maybe 20 bumper stickers.
For some reason it's something I pay attention to and remember
So far this year I've seen 1 Hillary lawn sign, and 2 bumper stickers.
1 Trump lawn sign and 3 bumper stickers.
About a dozen Bernie lawn signs and maybe 20 bumper stickers.
For some reason it's something I pay attention to and remember
jp_nyc
Kick Henry Jackassowski
Is there actually anything to stop the delegates from just voting against Trump? I know that some states require them to vote in accordance with election results, but they can’t actually enforce that since the voting occurs in a different state. So unless the rules prohibit counting votes not in accordance with election results, can’t the delegates just vote against Trump and not worry about it?
Flamencology
You don't deserve koa.
I don't see how anything like that would be productive, even if it did succeed.
They'd be adding one problem on top of another without solving the first.
They'd be adding one problem on top of another without solving the first.
State (and federal) laws do not apply to the conventions. The party can do whatever the hell it wants. I haven't looked in a while, but the party convention rules have one rule that says delegates must vote as they are pledged in the first ballot, but can vote however they like in a contested convention (which this convention won't be).
However, there is another rule that could be interpreted to say that delegates could vote their conscience - even in the first ballot.
The Republican party could hold a vote to "clarify" or even outright change the rules before the first ballot.
While this is possible, I don't think the party would try it. It would divide the party electorate to the point that their new candidate (whoever it might be) would not stand a chance in the general. Not to mention that Trump would likely run independant which would further drain votes from the party's new candidate.
Dogsinplastic
avuncular to no one
So they had a party to 20 years?! They sound like a delightful bunch of folks. Where I might learn about this group? So many questions I have about this group...so many questions....
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Chad
Slender Hobbit
I guess if they feel having Hillary in the white house is better than Trump, they will do it. No way the party wins if they don't nominate Trump, but do they let a guy that they can't control win, or a moderate who won't be able to get anything done with a republican controlled congress? I gotta think even for the republicans, Hillary is a better choice. Trump would be a total and complete disaster and I can't imagine most of his party don't think that too.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
sonik
Motor City Madman
Agreed.
Sure the Republicans hate her, but they hate plenty of their own too
Anyway, she'll maintain the status quo of the two parties, the cliched military-industrial complex, and varied corporate interests. She might scoot a few issues an inch to the left to sate the plebs, but nothing groundbreaking, or that wasn't happening already anyway.
Obamacare won't be overturned on her watch though and that enrages Republicans *chuckle*
And the SCOTUS situation is going to be a mess regardless of whom gets in.
Tig
Fucktangular
They'll never admit to it, but you are correct.
One strong possibility is that a GOP few congressional seats will be lost to DEM's this election, and a part of the reason is Trump's nomination. Well, that and because he's such a scary fuck.
jp_nyc
Kick Henry Jackassowski
The problem is that the GOP is now packed with Kool-aid guzzling Tea Party partisans who believe everything that comes from right wing radio, Newsmax, Red State, etc. Those people honestly do believe that Hillary is a communist saboteur who killed Vince Foster and set the Libyan embassy up to get bombed. If many sane Republicans come out against Trump or for Hillary there’s a good chance of a real split in the GOP that could make the party politically irrelevant at the national level. And there’s always the possibility of an angry right-wing nationalist flipping out like in the UK last week. The GOP spent twenty years painting themselves into this corner and only losing a lot of elections will get them out of it.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
I agree with everything you just said. The people at the top of the GOP aren't the Kool-aid guzzlers, it is the folks at the Trump events that are the Kool-aiders. Now those folks have been told long enough that Hillary is the love child of Satan and Marx, so even if they figure a way to get Trump off the ticket, they still may be able to save face with the drinkers but who knows. Some of those folks are a lost cause.
Flamencology
You don't deserve koa.
If you support the GOP and you're not earning 7+ figures a year, then you've consumed the Kool-Aid already.
Some exceptions apply; people who sell firearms, people who profit from health care, etc.
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Prages
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I saw my first Trump lawn sign today. In a pretty solidly middle class and diverse neighbourhood.
So far this year I've seen 1 Hillary lawn sign, and 2 bumper stickers.
1 Trump lawn sign and 3 bumper stickers.
About a dozen Bernie lawn signs and maybe 20 bumper stickers.
For some reason it's something I pay attention to and remember
About 2 out of every 3 lawns around here has a Trump sign on it. The others have nothing at all.
Very few WVians will vote for Hillary after her "We're going to put a lot of coal mines out of business" quote, regardless of what she went on to say.
Bernie did win our democratic primary by a landslide in popular vote, but as far as delegates go, Hillary still got more votes.
Go figure.
I have no doubt that Trump is going to win the general in WV.
If it means anything, I refuse to vote for any of the major candidates. I voted for a lawyer from Huntington, WV in the primary...and he got something like 20% of the vote.
I've never seen such a piss poor pool of candidates.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Now mind you, I am not saying all out bans here. Reasonable restrictions, licensing and training, along with other things that are necessary such as improved mental health care, improved income equality, and other support for people, along with some balancing of our other freedoms such as right to travel, privacy, etc. All very tough questions, as I tend to lean toward protecting those rights. But worthy tackling. And like speech, one of the most cherished rights IMHO, can be regulated in terms of time, manner and place, 2nd A rights can also be regulated somewhat. It is not a black and white, all or nothing question.
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Chad
Slender Hobbit
The Kool-Aid was for the Tea Party folks. I also don't think you need to making 7+ figures to support them and not be crazy, anything over $500k would do.
VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
Good luck, Cleveland!
jp_nyc
Kick Henry Jackassowski
Bob411
thrumming with potential
Shouldn't they have tea?
mongooz
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major disagree. i don't support that asshole, but i don't think curtailing the bill of rights is the answer.
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