OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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Theodore said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/u...y-use-evidence-found-after-illegal-stops.html

4th amendment: who needs it?
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i read that an hour ago. and what we REALLY need now, is 2 or maybe 3 uber right wingers on SCOTUS, compliments of Trump. (severe sarcasm)

i don't like Hill almost at all, but there is NO F'ING WAY i'm going to vote for Trump and what he'll do to SCOTUS. he may only last 4 years, but SCOTUS is for LIFE!!!

SCOTUS is actually THE most important issue of this election.
 
mongooz said:
i read that an hour ago. and what we REALLY need now, is 2 or maybe 3 uber right wingers on SCOTUS, compliments of Trump. (severe sarcasm)

i don't like Hill almost at all, but there is NO F'ING WAY i'm going to vote for Trump and what he'll do to SCOTUS. he may only last 4 years, but SCOTUS is for LIFE!!!

SCOTUS is actually THE most important issue of this election.
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If she nominates such champions of civil liberties as Merritt Garland, everybody might as well just signup for voluntary anal probing.

Everything is depressing.
 
OGG said:
My kids ask me why the 80s were so weird, why they were so scary...

My brother sent this to me today, it paints a pretty good picture. :grin:

http://www.oregonlive.com/history/2016/06/1980s_flashback_remembering_th.html
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the 70's were way worse than the 80's. by the mid 80's the USSR leadership had realized that a nuclear option really wasn't.
also because of Yeltsin and Gorbachev, cooler heads were prevailing.

while i was in the USAF ('75-80) i was involved in writing some of the war plans & scenarios that Reagan & company would have used, if necessary.
being involve in that and KNOWING what was going to happen and where, was a lot scarier than the movie 'day after'.
also a very scary movie on that subject (that my group were REQUIRED to watch) is "Fail Safe". the point at which a nuclear bomber may NOT be recalled, for any reason, by anybody, and WILL go to the target and deliver it's weapons.
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mongooz said:
the 70's were way worse than the 80's. by the mid 80's the USSR leadership had realized that a nuclear option really wasn't.
also because of Yeltsin and Gorbachev, cooler heads were prevailing.

while i was in the USAF ('75-80) i was involved in writing some of the war plans & scenarios that Reagan & company would have used, if necessary.
being involve in that and KNOWING what was going to happen and where, was a lot scarier than the movie 'day after'.
also a very scary movie on that subject (that my group were REQUIRED to watch) is "Fail Safe". the point at which a nuclear bomber may NOT be recalled, for any reason, by anybody, and WILL go to the target and deliver it's weapons.
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Nice ironic smiley! Thanks for doing what you did. Seriously.
 
mongooz said:
the 70's were way worse than the 80's. by the mid 80's the USSR leadership had realized that a nuclear option really wasn't.
also because of Yeltsin and Gorbachev, cooler heads were prevailing.

while i was in the USAF ('75-80) i was involved in writing some of the war plans & scenarios that Reagan & company would have used, if necessary.
being involve in that and KNOWING what was going to happen and where, was a lot scarier than the movie 'day after'.
also a very scary movie on that subject (that my group were REQUIRED to watch) is "Fail Safe". the point at which a nuclear bomber may NOT be recalled, for any reason, by anybody, and WILL go to the target and deliver it's weapons.
wave0
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No doubt that the period between The Cuban Missile Crisis and the start of the 80s was scary as fuck, I'll definitely concede on that point, but the warm fuzziness you associated with the decade for contrast was all at the tail end of the period. 80-85/85 was unimaginably frightening. Soviet leaders dropping like flies, only to be replaced with unknown commodities that were obvious Hard Line KGB Puppets. All the while, the limp dick, reckless cowboys like Casper and Ronnie were poking the bear at every turn, effectively inciting them into a game of Chicken between two locomotives on a single track.

Total fucking madness. And when you read a quote like this one attributed to Weinberger, you really begin to understand the level of paranoia and insanity possessed by those in charge. Every last one of them was like Ray Liotta Stirring the sauce and tweaking balls as the walls closed in. Unfortunately, their recipe included ICBMs With multiple nuclear warheads.
 
OGG said:
No doubt that the period between The Cuban Missile Crisis and the start of the 80s was scary as fuck, I'll definitely concede on that point, but the warm fuzziness you associated with the decade for contrast was all at the tail end of the period. 80-85/85 was unimaginably frightening. Soviet leaders dropping like flies, only to be replaced with unknown commodities that were obvious Hard Line KGB Puppets. All the while, the limp dick, reckless cowboys like Casper and Ronnie were poking the bear at every turn, effectively inciting them into a game of Chicken between two locomotives on a single track.

Total fucking madness. And when you read a quote like this one attributed to Weinberger, you really begin to understand the level of paranoia and insanity possessed by those in charge. Every last one of them was like Ray Liotta Stirring the sauce and tweaking balls as the walls closed in. Unfortunately, their recipe included ICBMs With multiple nuclear warheads.
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My memories of that were that I would think about it (late 70's and onward) think about all the military bases including nuclear sub bases in my general area, then conclude that I could do nothing about it, and that if it happened, at least it would be over quickly where I lived. And then, since I was in college and in a fraternity (81-85), would pretty much drink beer. :wink:
 
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Chad said:
My biggest issue with Clinton is that she should have never been a senator. She was qualified, but she never lived in NY. Had she run from Arkansas, it would have been fine. Buying a house in a state the year before an election because you know only a democrat will win, sounds something like the Underwoods would do.
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Fucking carpetbagger. I have never and will never vote for her.
 
sonik said:
Every decade is bizarre and fucked. Just in different ways.

*shrug*
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Yeah, I recall when the Soviet Union was crumbling, and Ronnie had essentially won the game of chicken, thinking that as all this cold war was being dismantled, that one risk was ending, and another, or many others, would emerge, but be harder to identify and pin point. No one enemy. So then we end up with endless war basically (not a declared war mind you) with this war on terror thing. Not exactly what I imagined. I had imagined that the Soviet Union's nukes would end up in the hands of rogue nations that were maybe even crazier than the KGB puppets. But, the diverse enemy ended up being pretty much the same thing in terms of result. Again, constant state of fear. Just terrorism this time instead of nukes.
 
Mark Wein said:
I've never understood why she was a senator for NY.
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God damn hipsters.
 
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