Just a note about why I will no longer be posting my lessons on Harmony Central

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I need to chime in here. Today kerouac posted a thread about being back on HC. i didn't even know he was gone so I went back and looked at his poasts to see what all the fuss was about. That led me to this Mark Wein controversy. Today is the first time I have ever heard of it.

Let me say that I had absolutely nothing to do with any of this, and frankly Mark, I'm kinda disappointed to see that you didn't squash that speculation in the bud when it was raised this thread but whatever. Thanks to Howie. Tamoore, suck it you bastid. :embarrassed:

All I know so far is from this thread, Korouac's rant and what Motorik told me. I haven't even checked into the HC Office yet to see what's in there about this. I actually was gone from HC altogether for about a solid month.

Anyway, and for the record, HC has a point about the whole thing but the fact of the matter is that (speaking for myself only) I like Mark and wasn't particularly inclined to take him to task for promoting his site on HC because at the end of the day I guess I was playing favorites and because I like him and his guitar lessons.

But let's face it, we zap lots of spam and spam-ish type posts on HC and it's not like Mark doesn't joke around about "spamming" HC. I don't think he really disputes this nor do I think it makes him a bad person or anything, but let's see it for what it is: an uncomfortable little issue that I wish never came up, really.

In any event, you can go ahead and chalk it up to crappy moderating on my part if you like. I did actually think this issue over at various points in time over the past year and made an affirmative decision to ignore it, at least as far as my so-microscopic-as-to-be-negligible influence with Harmony Central goes. Read: I gots no juice over there.

Mark, post lessons as youtube links and be done with it. Everyone digs them so I don't see why you'd refrain from continuing to provide that solid content to the community as you have stated was your goal all along.

So there you have it.
 
Just to clarify, Strings - I never meant to throw you under the bus - I only remember you saying one time something about Mark 'spamming' the forum. It might have been something like 'Maybe you won't mind when HC is on your forum, spamming their site all over it'. If it wasn't you it was some other moderator. Just saying that the thought that Mark was 'spamming' his forum over there wasn't an isolated idea.

My opinion: For giving free and valuable lessons, adding to the real value of the HC forum, Mark should have been able to link back to his mother ship as compensation. But, rules are rules, and I get that...

Again, this might also be a case of my faulty memory, and I apologize to you if that is the case.. :)

I mean, I also remember this one time when I phoned in and reported a community college teacher for 'doing' his students.........:embarrassed:
 
Just to clarify, Strings - I never meant to throw you under the bus - I only remember you saying one time something about Mark 'spamming' the forum. It might have been something like 'Maybe you won't mind when HC is on your forum, spamming their site all over it'. If it wasn't you it was some other moderator. Just saying that the thought that Mark was 'spamming' his forum over there wasn't an isolated idea.

My opinion: For giving free and valuable lessons, adding to the real value of the HC forum, Mark should have been able to link back to his mother ship as compensation. But, rules are rules, and I get that...

Again, this might also be a case of my faulty memory, and I apologize to you if that is the case.. :)

I mean, I also remember this one time when I phoned in and reported a community college teacher for 'doing' his students.........:embarrassed:

I'm wasn't really upset or anything. I don't even disagree with you, obviously, as I didn't do anything about it. I'm just saying that if you don't know Mark and have a positive online relationship (hey baby) with him, you might see the issue differently. Which is probably what happened here.
 
I'm wasn't really upset or anything. I don't even disagree with you, obviously, as I didn't do anything about it. I'm just saying that if you don't know Mark and have a positive online relationship (hey baby) with him, you might see the issue differently. Which is probably what happened here.


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Hey Strings! I've actually been teaching all afternoon and haven't had time to post....I'll catch up in about 40 minutes when I get a break here....
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I need to chime in here. Today kerouac posted a thread about being back on HC. i didn't even know he was gone so I went back and looked at his poasts to see what all the fuss was about. That led me to this Mark Wein controversy. Today is the first time I have ever heard of it.

Let me say that I had absolutely nothing to do with any of this, and frankly Mark, I'm kinda disappointed to see that you didn't squash that speculation in the bud when it was raised this thread but whatever. Thanks to Howie. Tamoore, suck it you bastid. :embarrassed:

I'm wasn't really upset or anything. I don't even disagree with you, obviously, as I didn't do anything about it. I'm just saying that if you don't know Mark and have a positive online relationship (hey baby) with him, you might see the issue differently. Which is probably what happened here.

I actually had to read back through this thread a little bit. I apologize if I made it seem or allowed the perception that you were responsible for this in the first place...it seemed so ludicrous to me that I didn't think anyone else would put any stock in it either.

I guess I'll just put my take on the situation out here:

I think I stated it a bunch of times in this thread and others that I was aware that HC had rules and that they were enforcing them I was more than a little upset about the timing and where I thought the motivation came from. I was pretty sure that the administration of HC really didn't care about what I was doing but when a few folks complained in the days following the launch of 2.0 I figured they had to do something. There are people to this day doing the same thing that I was in the lesson loft. (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2382970 - Other fun reading on this subject: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2610553).

In the days leading up to 2.0 if folks were asking where to hang out if the changeover sucked I would post my forum. When the changeover DID in fact go south we had a flood of new signups - about 150 over the first weekend of 2.0. What I wasn't aware of until later was that I had something of a "street team" in HCEG telling folks where to find them since they weren't happy with the new HC forum. That rubbed at least a few people wrong and they started threads talking down this site...and the shitstorms raged. I tried to stay out of it all although mikesr1963 did get a little rise out of me on GJ with his "the server is falling" thread.

Other factors - the Lesson Loft regulars debated where they were going to move to...I offered them a new home even if temporary here (which is now the "String Theory" forum) and that also ended poorly. On the plus side, Poparad is now a moderator here. :)

So when Mazi Bee PM'd me I figured it was Doc Jefferey, Bonenut, mikesr1963 or one of the less vocal but still resentful EG forumites that pulled the trigger. (thats right...I named names....I really don't give a fuck anymore).

Ultimately I was treated well by all of the moderators...Motorik, Poparad, Mr Knobs even registered here and PM'd me. You were not around so I didn't think anything of your absence. Sometimes our real world lives eat into our interwebz time :tongue:

As far as posting my lessons go, I put a lot of time and effort into making a complete package with real publishable notation and even backing tracks. The videos by themselves only present part of the picture. And yes, this is marketing for my business and I would like people to visit this site and not Youtube.

Plus, I'm still a little butthurt about my trial: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2619016 :embarrassed:
 
You're so gangsta. :love:

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