I have bought our tickets for Batman V Superman

Chad said:
You didn't miss much with Jersey Girl. I need to see Tusk and Yoga Hosers.
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I really liked Tusk. Some friends and I have semi-regular movie nights at each others' places, and we've held an annual Halloween Horror Movie Marathon for the past 10+ years. We watched Tusk in our Marathon two years ago and we all dug it.

It's absolutely different from anything I've ever seen him do, with the possible exception of Red State, and I liked it more. I like it when people branch out, and he branched way the fuck out on Tusk.
 
GDSmithTX said:
I really liked Tusk. Some friends and I have semi-regular movie nights at each others' places, and we've held an annual Halloween Horror Movie Marathon for the past 10+ years. We watched Tusk in our Marathon two years ago and we all dug it.

It's absolutely different from anything I've ever seen him do, with the possible exception of Red State, and I liked it more. I like it when people branch out, and he branched way the fuck out on Tusk.
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I really think DC should give him control of the movies. At least nobody can tell him he doesn't understand the characters.
 
Chad said:
I really think DC should give him control of the movies. At least nobody can tell him he doesn't understand the characters.
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Something like that was floated to him 10-12 years ago, and he says his response was "Oh God no. I'm far too much of a fanboy to make impartial decisions about these characters."
 
GDSmithTX said:
Something like that was floated to him 10-12 years ago, and he says his response was "Oh God no. I'm far too much of a fanboy to make impartial decisions about these characters."
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I think that might make him perfect for the job. Combining his movie sensibilities with his actual knowledge and appreciation of the source material...well that should equal a pretty damn good film. Now, would that film (or a group of such films) be the stuff of blockbusters, making Marvel-type money? I don't know, but you can't really measure the success or failure of art on how much money it does or doesn't make.

He should take the reigns for a Batman flick, a Superman flick, and a Wonder Woman flick at some point.

I wonder what his favorite adaptations have been to date?

The first Michael Keaton Batman is hard to beat, combining the darkness of comics and the camp of the show (the second did as well). I didn't see the next two. I jumped back on board with Nolan, but that was because of Bale's involvement. I hate his Batman voice though...I get it, I just hate the sound of his version. The first two Reeves Superman flicks are fond memories from my youth.

I think the Superman Returns was overly harshed on...it was a clear tip of the hat to the Reeves version, but Spacey's take on Luther didn't do it for me...not really a Spacey fan, but I actually thought Brendan Routh did a decent turn as Supes. I think to what Chad said though, today's audience isn't interested in the squeaky clean superhero archetype, for which (interestingly enough) I think you can thank Burton's Batman. Marvel's stuff ran a bit darker and their "heroes" didn't save everyone and may have been indirectly or directly responsible for the death of villains and civilians.

I have to get back to work now. :thu:
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
I think that might make him perfect for the job. Combining his movie sensibilities with his actual knowledge and appreciation of the source material...well that should equal a pretty damn good film. Now, would that film (or a group of such films) be the stuff of blockbusters, making Marvel-type money? I don't know, but you can't really measure the success or failure of art on how much money it does or doesn't make.

He should take the reigns for a Batman flick, a Superman flick, and a Wonder Woman flick at some point.

I wonder what his favorite adaptations have been to date?

The first Michael Keaton Batman is hard to beat, combining the darkness of comics and the camp of the show (the second did as well). I didn't see the next two. I jumped back on board with Nolan, but that was because of Bale's involvement. I hate his Batman voice though...I get it, I just hate the sound of his version. The first two Reeves Superman flicks are fond memories from my youth.

I think the Superman Returns was overly harshed on...it was a clear tip of the hat to the Reeves version, but Spacey's take on Luther didn't do it for me...not really a Spacey fan, but I actually thought Brendan Routh did a decent turn as Supes. I think to what Chad said though, today's audience isn't interested in the squeaky clean superhero archetype, for which (interestingly enough) I think you can thank Burton's Batman. Marvel's stuff ran a bit darker and their "heroes" didn't save everyone and may have been indirectly or directly responsible for the death of villains and civilians.

I have to get back to work now. :thu:
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I finally saw the Routh one a few months ago. I think he did a great job doing the Reeves type Superman, but I just wasn't into it. That Superman was perfect for the 50s not so much anymore.
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
I think that might make him perfect for the job. Combining his movie sensibilities with his actual knowledge and appreciation of the source material...well that should equal a pretty damn good film. Now, would that film (or a group of such films) be the stuff of blockbusters, making Marvel-type money? I don't know, but you can't really measure the success or failure of art on how much money it does or doesn't make.

He should take the reigns for a Batman flick, a Superman flick, and a Wonder Woman flick at some point.

I wonder what his favorite adaptations have been to date?

The first Michael Keaton Batman is hard to beat, combining the darkness of comics and the camp of the show (the second did as well). I didn't see the next two. I jumped back on board with Nolan, but that was because of Bale's involvement. I hate his Batman voice though...I get it, I just hate the sound of his version. The first two Reeves Superman flicks are fond memories from my youth.

I think the Superman Returns was overly harshed on...it was a clear tip of the hat to the Reeves version, but Spacey's take on Luther didn't do it for me...not really a Spacey fan, but I actually thought Brendan Routh did a decent turn as Supes. I think to what Chad said though, today's audience isn't interested in the squeaky clean superhero archetype, for which (interestingly enough) I think you can thank Burton's Batman. Marvel's stuff ran a bit darker and their "heroes" didn't save everyone and may have been indirectly or directly responsible for the death of villains and civilians.

I have to get back to work now. :thu:
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Re: Kevin Smith: I love the guy and a lot of his work, but I don't think he's the right kind of director for a really good superhero film, and I think he thinks that as well. He did a pretty good job on his episode of The Flash, but that was stepping into an open spot in a well-oiled machine that's been running smoothly for years. I look forward to his upcoming episode of Supergirl, though I haven't watched a single episode of the show.

Re: Michael Keaton Batman: loved Keaton, wasn't a fan of Nicholson's Joker (except for a few moments).

I agree, the worst part of Bale's Batman was the voice. I pretty much dug everything else about it. The "voice changer effect" from BvS handled it much better.

I like the crap out of Affleck's Batman, even though he got a little torture/kill happy there for a while. But the Alfred quote -- "That's how it starts, sir. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel." -- explains for the audience why he became like that.

And though the "Wait, your mom was named Martha too?" bit was silly, if you accept the conceit -- that he saw Supes as an unknowable, uncontrollable alien god from the skies ... until he found out that he was a son who loved his mother and whose mother loved him -- it explains his near-instant change of heart. And by the end of the film, he's a changed man. I understand the problems lots of people had with it; I didn't have those problems because I don't go into films looking for things to ruin my own enjoyment. I'm a forgiving consumer of entertainment with a strong suspension of disbelief.

But, Affleck's Batman in battle is the best action-Batman ever. It just looks so right and so much how I've pictured him in my head for 40+ years.

Re: the Routh Superman. It was inoffensive, but Routh, as much as I like his portrayal of Ray Palmer/The Atom, just didn't have the charisma to really pull off Superman. He made a fine Clark Kent, though.
 
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GDSmithTX said:
Re: Kevin Smith: I love the guy and a lot of his work, but I don't think he's the right kind of director for a really good superhero film, and I think he thinks that as well. He did a pretty good job on his episode of The Flash, but that was stepping into an open spot in a well-oiled machine that's been running smoothly for years. I look forward to his upcoming episode of Supergirl, though I haven't watched a single episode of the show.

Re: Michael Keaton Batman: loved Keaton, wasn't a fan of Nicholson's Joker (except for a few moments).

I agree, the worst part of Bale's Batman was the voice. I pretty much dug everything else about it. The "voice changer effect" from BvS handled it much better.

I like the crap out of Affleck's Batman, even though he got a little torture/kill happy there for a while. But the Alfred quote -- "That's how it starts, sir. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel." -- explains for the audience why he became like that.

And though the "Wait, your mom was named Martha too?" bit was silly, if you accept the conceit -- that he saw Supes as an unknowable, uncontrollable alien god from the skies ... until he found out that he was a son who loved his mother and whose mother loved him -- it explains his near-instant change of heart. And by the end of the film, he's a changed man. I understand the problems lots of people had with it; I didn't have those problems because I don't go into films looking for things to ruin my own enjoyment. I'm a very forgiving consumer of entertainment with a very strong suspension of disbelief.

But, Affleck's Batman in battle is the best action-Batman ever. It just looks so right and so much how I've pictured him in my head for 40+ years.

Re: the Routh Superman. It was inoffensive, but Routh, as much as I like his portrayal of of Ray Palmer/The Atom, just didn't have the charisma to really pull off Superman. He made a fine Clark Kent, though.
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Kevin wouldn't have to be the director of the films, just steer the ship. Approve casting, scripts and have input on the film.
 
Chad said:
Kevin wouldn't have to be the director of the films, just steer the ship. Approve casting, scripts and have input on the film.
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I like that Geoff Johns has the helm now. He's written so much good stuff over the years that I trust him with the DCU. Kevin has said as much himself on Fatman on Batman (fair disclosure: I listen to like 4 Kevin Smith podcasts regularly).
 
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