Gibson buys Mesa Boogie

I had heard many people talking about late model Mesas having lots of problems - even a former member of this forum had returned 2 I believe before going to another brand.

One of my bandmates had a Lonestar Special. Sounded amazing, but there was always something wrong with it. Tubes breaking, fuses going repeatedly, amp suddenly going silent mid-gig and stuff like that. Had it in at reputable amp techs several times, only for the amp to develope other issues after being serviced. Couple of years ago he had enough and replaced it with a Bogner Atma, and haven't had any issues since.
You do expect better from an amp at about 2k new.
 
Per GW:
Smith will join Gibson as Master Designer and Pioneer of Mesa/Boogie.

According to Gibson, in his new role, Smith will “continue his passion for tube technology and his vision for building hand-crafted, high performance amplifiers, that continue to redefine how we experience sound across Mesa/Boogie and Gibson.”



One of my bandmates had a Lonestar Special. Sounded amazing, but there was always something wrong with it. Tubes breaking, fuses going repeatedly, amp suddenly going silent mid-gig and stuff like that. Had it in at reputable amp techs several times, only for the amp to develope other issues after being serviced. Couple of years ago he had enough and replaced it with a Bogner Atma, and haven't had any issues since.
You do expect better from an amp at about 2k new.

Shame your friend had issues with his. OTOH I & numerous people I know never had any issues w/ their amps, for whatever it's worth....including friends who dragged their around the US on tour.
 
Shame your friend had issues with his. OTOH I & numerous people I know never had any issues w/ their amps, for whatever it's worth....including friends who dragged their around the US on tour.

Well, he was just saying "yeah, my friend had that too" in response to my story...and my story was after many ones I have read about people having trouble yet there are no people always hacking on Mesa quality issues.

Meanwhile, people are always hacking on Gibson's 'QC issues' with no personal experience of any of it - but they read some posts on the old Harmony Central firums so SQUAAAAAK!!! Gibson sucks SQUAAAAAK!!! Or it's some dummy who set their guitar against a wall and it fell so has a snapped off headstock.

The worst is people hacking on the brand because they can't justify spending the money so sour grapes in hand start SQUAAAAAAK!!!

I know about zero people who personally have experience with poor Gibson QC.

But it could have been ANTIFA posting about the Gibson QC.
 
Well, he was just saying "yeah, my friend had that too" in response to my story...and my story was after many ones I have read about people having trouble yet there are no people always hacking on Mesa quality issues.

Meanwhile, people are always hacking on Gibson's 'QC issues' with no personal experience of any of it - but they read some posts on the old Harmony Central firums so SQUAAAAAK!!! Gibson sucks SQUAAAAAK!!! Or it's some dummy who set their guitar against a wall and it fell so has a snapped off headstock.

The worst is people hacking on the brand because they can't justify spending the money so sour grapes in hand start SQUAAAAAAK!!!

I know about zero people who personally have experience with poor Gibson QC.

But it could have been ANTIFA posting about the Gibson QC.

Yeah, I was just adding to your post there.

As for Gibson QC, over the last couple of decades that has definitely been a thing. I've played or seen/heard enough Gibsons over the years to know that those issues are very much real.
One of the guits I had was a fucking nightmare. The later ones are supposed to be better, but I'm not over getting another one. Life's too short to spend half of it tuning your guitar. :wink:

Anyways, there are enough horror stories out there for people to be genuinely concerned about what happens with the Mesa Boogie stuff. Things tend to deteriorate pretty badly under Gibson ownership. Maybe this is one they can actually get right.
 
One of my bandmates had a Lonestar Special. Sounded amazing, but there was always something wrong with it. Tubes breaking, fuses going repeatedly, amp suddenly going silent mid-gig and stuff like that. Had it in at reputable amp techs several times, only for the amp to develope other issues after being serviced. Couple of years ago he had enough and replaced it with a Bogner Atma, and haven't had any issues since.
You do expect better from an amp at about 2k new.

Must have gotten a lemon. The first Mark I reissue I had, I dropped the head down a flight of stairs. One of the power tubes shattered, but after replacing it, the amp fired up and I used it as my main amp for another 2 years.
 
The worst is people hacking on the brand because they can't justify spending the money so sour grapes in hand start SQUAAAAAAK!!!

I know about zero people who personally have experience with poor Gibson QC.

I wish I had photos of all of them for you. For years, one of my buddies was the head guitar salesman at Woodwind and Brasswind, and I worked a couple blocks away so I would always go in to see new instruments when they would get a truck.

I've seen sunburst finishes with a thin black sharpie line on the wood that wasn't sanded off... then cleared over. I've seen nuts that look worse than any $500 MIM strat.... and the one-off custom shop stuff was the worst. Dave had a customer return a very expensive 335 multiple times until they got it right. We both commented how they would receive PRS guitars that would come out of the case in tune, yet these custom shop guitars often look like they had zero setup. And he was more heartbroken than I because he owned 3 Gibsons... but he commented on how many he had to play through to get a decent one.

I seriously considered getting a Dark Fire or Dusk Tiger, just to gut the supid-tronics and just have an interesting guitar, but I went through FIVE Dark Fires and they all had something wonky that I would have just dealt with, sanded the neck to a different shape, etc if they were $1,100-$1,500 instruments... But I think they wanted $3700 or some nonsense. :embarrassed:
 
I wish I had photos of all of them for you. For years, one of my buddies was the head guitar salesman at Woodwind and Brasswind, and I worked a couple blocks away so I would always go in to see new instruments when they would get a truck.

I've seen sunburst finishes with a thin black sharpie line on the wood that wasn't sanded off... then cleared over. I've seen nuts that look worse than any $500 MIM strat.... and the one-off custom shop stuff was the worst. Dave had a customer return a very expensive 335 multiple times until they got it right. We both commented how they would receive PRS guitars that would come out of the case in tune, yet these custom shop guitars often look like they had zero setup. And he was more heartbroken than I because he owned 3 Gibsons... but he commented on how many he had to play through to get a decent one.

I seriously considered getting a Dark Fire or Dusk Tiger, just to gut the supid-tronics and just have an interesting guitar, but I went through FIVE Dark Fires and they all had something wonky that I would have just dealt with, sanded the neck to a different shape, etc if they were $1,100-$1,500 instruments... But I think they wanted $3700 or some nonsense. :embarrassed:

Nevermind my own experiences, but I remember one Gary Moore sig LP that came into the music school. The fretboard wasn't properly sanded and had two humps. We told the guy to bring it back. Nothing short of $1000 in work would have made that guitar playable.
 
One of the guits I had was a fucking nightmare. The later ones are supposed to be better, but I'm not over getting another one. Life's too short to spend half of it tuning your guitar. :wink:

I used to think that PRS improved on the tuning stability primarily with the alignment of the 6 tuning posts in a straighter line, and the 10 degree headstock instead of the 17 degree.

After dicking around with annoying D and G strings on an import PRS this past weekend... I have to give a LOT more credit to the material and beautiful cut of the PRS nut. Even though I have three import PRSi, one has a USA nut, one I wrote off the tuning issues as the stupid non-locking Klusons.... this third one with USA locking tuners but the SE nut? Fuck. Handful of USA nuts have been ordered (I'm going to cut the nut slot on one of my Warmoth necks and install a PRS nut on that one too. :wink: )
 
I used to think that PRS improved on the tuning stability primarily with the alignment of the 6 tuning posts in a straighter line, and the 10 degree headstock instead of the 17 degree.

After dicking around with annoying D and G strings on an import PRS this past weekend... I have to give a LOT more credit to the material and beautiful cut of the PRS nut. Even though I have three import PRSi, one has a USA nut, one I wrote off the tuning issues as the stupid non-locking Klusons.... this third one with USA locking tuners but the SE nut? Fuck. Handful of USA nuts have been ordered (I'm going to cut the nut slot on one of my Warmoth necks and install a PRS nut on that one too. :wink: )
Paul's nuts are legend.
 
I used to think that PRS improved on the tuning stability primarily with the alignment of the 6 tuning posts in a straighter line, and the 10 degree headstock instead of the 17 degree.

After dicking around with annoying D and G strings on an import PRS this past weekend... I have to give a LOT more credit to the material and beautiful cut of the PRS nut. Even though I have three import PRSi, one has a USA nut, one I wrote off the tuning issues as the stupid non-locking Klusons.... this third one with USA locking tuners but the SE nut? Fuck. Handful of USA nuts have been ordered (I'm going to cut the nut slot on one of my Warmoth necks and install a PRS nut on that one too. :wink: )

I even installed a brand new Graphtech Tusq nut on the LP I had (after also getting locking tuners and a better bridge), nevermind frequently having to lube everything on it. It took about two weeks until the tuning issues were back. Strings literally digging into the nut material due to those brutal angles. The only thing that worked over time without constant lubing and filing was getting the String Butler which made sure I had straight string pull through the nut. That's just too much hassle. Sold it and got a Sterling for half the price. :grin:
I've developed a really low tolerance for pieces of gear I can't trust on a live gig. They stay at home and eventually get sold.
The wake up call was a gig 2-3 years ago, when both myself and the other guitar player probably spent 30-40 minutes just tuning during a gig. That shit's unprofessional to say the least, and the LP I had was never used on a gig again.
 
I even installed a brand new Graphtech Tusq nut on the LP I had (after also getting locking tuners and a better bridge), nevermind frequently having to lube everything on it. It took about two weeks until the tuning issues were back. Strings literally digging into the nut material due to those brutal angles. The only thing that worked over time without constant lubing and filing was getting the String Butler which made sure I had straight string pull through the nut. That's just too much hassle. Sold it and got a Sterling for half the price. :grin:
I've developed a really low tolerance for pieces of gear I can't trust on a live gig. They stay at home and eventually get sold.
The wake up call was a gig 2-3 years ago, when both myself and the other guitar player probably spent 30-40 minutes just tuning during a gig. That shit's unprofessional to say the least, and the LP I had was never used on a gig again.

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Rhett Shull did a quick YouTube on this the other night and is of the opinion, and I think I agree with him, that Gibson wanted to get back into the amp business and rather than having to retool an amp factory they bought Mesa and will have Mesa build their amps for them. It makes sense. Some of the older Gibson amps were really nice, and reissuing old amps has been a huge money maker for Fender. A Gibson Skylark reissue amp built by Mesa would be a very attractive buy for a lot of people.
 
I guess it's a sign of the times :shrug:

I've been happy with the TA-15 that I've had now for a number of years. Still working well though I play though it a lot less than I used to but I still try to get a few hours a week with the amp. Unfortunately I don't have a place where I can properly crank it :(
 
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