Achtung! Garbage is the best female fronted rock band ever.

rickenvox said:
Absolutely - but if you're trying to get to Annie from Heart, there may some missing years of musical innovation and aesthetic changes that would inform her music.
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You'll definitely have to put your favorite REO Speedwagon and Iron Maiden songs way in the back of your mind if you're a 40-something guy that's trying to "get it". No problem for me but I know it's a struggle for some.
 
rickenvox said:
Well she's generally "indie rock" so if you're not into Of Montreal or Wilco or The New Pornographers or Spoon or The Flaming Lips, there's really no point in just starting with her music.
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who is the Of Montreal that you speak? I know and like all the other bands you mentioned, but never heard of them
 
rickenvox said:
Wow, I must not have read this paragraph until Flamenc commented on it. A couple of glaring errors to correct in the above statement, regardless of taste and whether you like Dylan or not. You're mixing up his so-called early "plariagized" music (mostly aping some of Woody's vocal characteristics and a couple other minor influences from his NY clubs days and first 2 albums) and the stuff 60s counter-culture latched on to. When Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61, and Blonde on Blonde hit the charts and record stores, it was Dylan leading culture around by the nose and not the other way around. It took people some time to catch up with him. Only after that was he idolized and made into an icon on Peter Max style posters. And most of the people idolizing him from the folk scene were in a state of shock when Bringing It came out. There is no precedent or source of plagiarism for songs like It's Alright Ma or Like a Rolling Stone. By 1964 or 1965 Dylan had pretty much shed his influences and created a new genre of music that has only had one artist all of these years since. I would be greatly entertained if you could cite the influences for Ballad Of A Thin Man. Of source Dylan is all Americana at heart, and also played some of the most authentic blues ever written by a white man on his first album, but there's nothing unoriginal about his mid to late sixties output. As much as people want to call Nashville Skyline a country album, I've never heard any country song like Lay Lady Lay. And his voice is unrivaled as far as the art of enunciation and edge to communicate the most poetic lyrics in rock music. The live version of It's Alright Ma off of the Scorcese film sends chills up my spine, just in his vocal delivery. I can't think of any other singer who can communicate that much emotion and power. Again, you don't have to agree, just offering some corrections to your "facts".
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Um. No.

I was simply referring to such items as topics that open giant cans of worms and generally illicit TLDR type responses like yours which is quoted above.

Thank you for once again making my point for me after it's already been made. It's nice to have someone around to cement every point I make. It's like the ultimate personal assistant/sidekick. May I call you "Robin", or would that be too presumptive?

Please say yes, I always wanted to be Batman.

8-)
 
Flamencology said:
Good criticism has merit even when the final judgment is wrong.

I don't know what to say to you here other than to say that your opinion here is ill-informed and that, if you give a shit, you should read more.

:shrug:
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I would rather just listen to the music and decide for myself. I have read plenty of music reviews, and found them lacking in actual substance. Most seem like mental masturbation at best, and consumerist shilling at worst.

I think the internet has made reviewers obsolete. I would much rather get recommendations for new music based on posts from forumites here. I know that if you suggest some slide, I will likely enjoy it. Same with 80's recommendations from OGG. I hear about the new Wilco/Tweedy records from Chad or T-Roach and check them out. I know you guys, what you like, and what you don't. I trust youtube algorithms more than the average reviewer to tell me what I might or might not like.
 
335clone said:
I would rather just listen to the music and decide for myself. I have read plenty of music reviews, and found them lacking in actual substance. Most seem like mental masturbation at best, and consumerist shilling at worst.

I think the internet has made reviewers obsolete. I would much rather get recommendations for new music based on posts from forumites here. I know that if you suggest some slide, I will likely enjoy it. Same with 80's recommendations from OGG. I hear about the new Wilco/Tweedy records from Chad or T-Roach and check them out. I know you guys, what you like, and what you don't. I trust youtube algorithms more than the average reviewer to tell me what I might or might not like.
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Music critics are the worst.
 
335clone said:
I would rather just listen to the music and decide for myself. I have read plenty of music reviews, and found them lacking in actual substance. Most seem like mental masturbation at best, and consumerist shilling at worst.

I think the internet has made reviewers obsolete. I would much rather get recommendations for new music based on posts from forumites here. I know that if you suggest some slide, I will likely enjoy it. Same with 80's recommendations from OGG. I hear about the new Wilco/Tweedy records from Chad or T-Roach and check them out. I know you guys, what you like, and what you don't. I trust youtube algorithms more than the average reviewer to tell me what I might or might not like.
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Again: I can't argue with ill-informed, and I don't have the time to educate.
 
rickenvox said:
Well she's generally "indie rock" so if you're not into Of Montreal or Wilco or The New Pornographers or Spoon or The Flaming Lips, there's really no point in just starting with her music.
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Yeah, I think when read that article about her I was just expecting something completely different.
I can see why she is innovative at what she does. It's very creative. But it's just not what I listen to.
 
OK, just name me one currently active critic that doesn't have his head up his own ass, and I will read some of his/her work and get back to you.
 
335clone said:
I trust youtube algorithms more than the average reviewer to tell me what I might or might not like.
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On that subject I hate the algorithms that Pandora uses. Just because I like Wilco and Bon Iver doesn't mean I like Iron and Wine. But the damn program kept putting on Iron and Wine songs, which I rejected every time. And then I guess I exceeded the number of rejections I could enter - so it still kept on putting up Iron and Wine songs like HAL in 2001. I nearly died.
 
rickenvox said:
I think he might have meant someone who reviews rock or music discussed more often in this forum.

I can't name any nowadays but historically we had Robert Hilburn.
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Then he's limiting the parameters in order to fit his preconceived thesis. He asked for an example of a smart and insightful music critic, and I provided one who's brilliant enough to settle his scepticism. Unless popular music is somehow beyond investigation, for whatever reason.
 
rickenvox said:
Cool so you agree that your statements about Dylan were all wrong and you were just using the wrong opinions of other dumbasses as an example. Yes, usually when people are so wrong like that it opens a big can of worms. Glad to assist. :wink:
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Something like that
 
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