Question: Do you foresee a time when saxophone becomes common again in popular music?

everything is pop. but mostly black people.

That’s what I learned today.


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You and 355clone zeroed in one thing I said: rap artists said fuck the police. Assuming I only meant NWA. And then demanded more information. I gave reasons why NWA are pop and also more importantly why that sentiment also exists elsewhere in pop. Which involves mostly black artists for obvious reasons. So I gave examples of that on demand. Where did it end up? With you throwing up your hands and 'oh all you care about is black people huh!'

However, in my original post which include many many other of pop's examples of subversion and controversy, which was ignored, I named nearly 20 white people who have been pop artists. Let's go over them again: Elvis, Bowie, Beatles, Stones, Camila Cabello, Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, Kim Petras, Christine and the Queens, Poppy, Dua Lipa, Sam Smith and Madonna. So my anti-white agenda seems to be exaggerated slightly.

Anyway, I don't understand the point of this interrogation. I feel like you're trying to run a trial about something but not sure what I am guilty of exactly. Am I guilty of improper deference to Bon Iver? Am I wrong about pop being sometimes controversial? Am I anti-white? Is there going to be some new tangent and then another?
 
You and 355clone zeroed in one thing I said: rap artists said fuck the police. Assuming I only meant NWA. And then demanded more information. I gave reasons why NWA are pop and also more importantly why that sentiment also exists elsewhere in pop. Which involves mostly black artists for obvious reasons. So I gave examples of that on demand. Where did it end up? With you throwing up your hands and 'oh all you care about is black people huh!'

However, in my original post which include many many other of pop's examples of subversion and controversy, which was ignored, I named nearly 20 white people who have been pop artists. Let's go over them again: Elvis, Bowie, Beatles, Stones, Camila Cabello, Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, Kim Petras, Christine and the Queens, Poppy, Dua Lipa, Sam Smith and Madonna. So my anti-white agenda seems to be exaggerated slightly.

Anyway, I don't understand the point of this interrogation. I feel like you're trying to run a trial about something but not sure what I am guilty of exactly. Am I guilty of improper deference to Bon Iver? Am I wrong about pop being sometimes controversial? Am I anti-white? Is there going to be some new tangent and then another?

OMG, you seriously can’t answer a simple yes or no question?


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Is indie pop or not in your opinion? Yes or no answer.



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There isn't a yes or no answer to that.

Because the meaning of indie is unclear. And what constitutes indie varies widely as does the reach.

I mean technically Adele releases on an independent label like XL. As do many other popular artists. And those are pop. But some guy's noise album that he made for his friends is probably not pop, based on the reach or intention of that artist.
 
There isn't a yes or no answer to that.

Because the meaning of indie is unclear. And what constitutes indie varies widely as does the reach.

I mean technically Adele releases on an independent label like XL. As do many other popular artists. And those are pop. But some guy's noise album that he made for his friends is probably not pop, based on the reach or intention of that artist.

wow

and all other genre labels are clear


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wow

and all other genre labels are clear


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I'm not sure what your point is in the discussion.

Genres are stupid? Pop music is not real?

Think real hard. What are you trying to convince me is true? So we don't just drive in circles.
 
I'm not sure what your point is in the discussion.

Genres are stupid? Pop music is not real?

Think real hard. What are you trying to convince me is true? So we don't just drive in circles.

Didn’t say genres are stupid. It seems indie is the only thing you can’t determine whether it’s pop. And I was suggesting other genres are no more clearly defined.

Pop isn’t a genre as it encompasses many genres. And it’s ill defined, and the attempts at definitions change over time. It is often used just to mean popular, which runs contrary to other attempts to define the qualities of pop (strong beat, catchy hook, traditional verse chorus song structure, etc.). Prog rock band Yes’ Roundabout could easily be called pop. Bon Iver’s latest couple of albums are clearly pop. I would exclude post rock bands like Sigur Ros and Mogwai from the pop label as they are clearly going against the conventions of traditional rock song structure. Since pop as a word is inadequate to convey an idea of a style of music, other strong genres like funk or rap should just use those terms. The journalists you posted talking about NWA were using pop as a synonym for popular. Most people still call it hip/hop. Instrumental music like Herb Alpert and the TJ Brass was called pop back in the 60s, that would easily extend to Stereolab, Moby and Portishead and in the 90s and Khruanbin today. Pop is much wider than a genre when not used to denote popular, and not well defined. But some music is easily recognized as having a pop sound and feel.
 
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Is a saxophone just a reed instrument that isn’t a clarinet, oboe, or bassoon?


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Art music, worship music, traditional music, military music...

So what you are saying is the entire 'pop' genre/classification is total bullshit, because it is everything?

I'll stick with the wiki definition, thanks. Music made to take money from teenagers without offending the adults in the room, with no consideration for artistic merit.
 
Is a saxophone just a reed instrument that isn’t a clarinet, oboe, or bassoon?


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It's a fancy horn.
Is a saxophone just a reed instrument that isn’t a clarinet, oboe, or bassoon?


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I looked up the top definition of the saxophone. I have more questions than answers. Apparantly it's the Raper of all other instruments.

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So what you are saying is the entire 'pop' genre/classification is total bullshit, because it is everything?

I'll stick with the wiki definition, thanks. Music made to take money from teenagers without offending the adults in the room, with no consideration for artistic merit.

1 - unfair to teenagers

2 - so pop music turns into something else when those teenagers grow up?
 
So what you are saying is the entire 'pop' genre/classification is total bullshit, because it is everything?

I'll stick with the wiki definition, thanks. Music made to take money from teenagers without offending the adults in the room, with no consideration for artistic merit.
The amount of smugness in this post is just incredible.

What music, pray tell, do you consider offensive music? Phish?

And what is the deal with valuing being offended as a property of music to begin with. Would classical music have more artistic merit if the conductor yelled the n-word over and over?

I feel like that valuation is ironically an adolescent one to begin with. It's like if you think mainstream film is just porno with all of the sex taken out. And then fuck this I'm not watching it won't even piss off my parents. Ooooh I'm so mature now not a kid anymore mom and dad!!!
 
The amount of smugness in this post is just incredible.

What music, pray tell, do you consider offensive music? Phish?

And what is the deal with valuing being offended as a property of music to begin with. Would classical music have more artistic merit if the conductor yelled the n-word over and over?

I feel like that valuation is ironically an adolescent one to begin with. It's like if you think mainstream film is just porno with all of the sex taken out. And then fuck this I'm not watching it won't even piss off my parents. Ooooh I'm so mature now not a kid anymore mom and dad!!!

Wow. That's what you got from that post?
Stop trying to enforce your definition, which is completely at odds with the generally accepted definition.
Go make your edits here, and see how long they stand up to scrutiny.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

I'm done arguing with a brick.
 
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How the Boston Pops Orchestra got its name:

https://www.bso.org/brands/pops/about-us/historyarchives/the-history-of-the-boston-pops.aspx

IN 1900 THESE PERFORMANCES OFFICIALLY BECAME POPS (SHORT FOR "POPULAR") CONCERTS.
"The Boston Pops Orchestra performs the best music of the past and present, appealing to the widest possible audience with a broad spectrum of styles, from jazz to pop, indie rock to big band, film music to the great American songbook, and Broadway to classical, making it the perfect orchestra for people who don't know they like orchestras!"
-Keith Lockhart
In 2019, the Boston Pops will enter its 134th season of entertaining audiences in Boston and beyond. Boston Pops Conductor Keith Lockhart will mark his 24th year at the helm of the orchestra. It all began in 1885, thanks to the vision of Civil War veteran Henry Lee Higginson. Fours years earlier, in 1881, he founded the Boston Symphony Orchestra, calling its establishment "the dream of my life." From the start he intended to present, in the warmer months, concerts of light classics and the popular music of the day. From a practical perspective, Higginson realized that these "lighter" performances would provide year-round employment for his musicians. The "Promenade Concerts," as they were originally called, were soon informally known as "Popular Concerts," which eventually became shortened to "Pops," the name officially adopted in 1900. The following year the orchestra performed for the first time in its new home, Symphony Hall. Not only is this performance space acoustically outstanding, it was also designed, at Higginson's insistence, so that the rows of seats for Boston Symphony concerts could be replaced by tables and chairs for Pops concerts. To this day, patrons sitting at the cabaret-style tables can enjoy food and drink, along with the kind of musical entertainment only the Boston Pops can provide. Some people may not realize that there were seventeen Pops conductors, beginning with the German Adolf Neuendorff, who preceded Arthur Fiedler, the first American-born musician to lead the orchestra. In his nearly 50-year tenure as Pops Conductor (1930-1979), he established the Boston Pops as a national icon. When John Williams (1980-1993) succeeded Arthur Fiedler in 1980, he was the most highly acclaimed composer in Hollywood, and today, with 50 Academy Award nominations, he is the most-nominated living person in Academy history. Mr. Williams continued the Boston Pops Orchestra's prolific recording tradition with a series of best-selling recordings for the Philips and Sony Classical labels, broadened and updated the Pops repertoire, and entertained audiences with live orchestral accompaniment to film clips of memorable movie scenes, many of which featured iconic music from his own film scores. Having led nearly 1,800 Boston Pops concerts in his tenure, Keith Lockhart (1995-present) has created programs that reach out to a broader and younger audience by presenting artists-both established performers and rising stars-from virtually every corner of the entertainment world, all the while maintaining the Pops' appeal to its core audience. He has made 78 television shows, led forty national and four overseas tours with the Boston Pops Esplanade Orchestra, led the Pops at several high-profile sports events, and recorded thirteen albums. Mr. Lockhart's tenure has been marked by a dramatic increase in touring, the orchestra's first Grammy nominations, the first major network national broadcast of the Fourth-of-July spectacular from the Esplanade, and the release of the Boston Pops' first self-produced and self-distributed recordings.



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