OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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It's an either or choice at the end of the day & you run against who the opposition nominates. Viable only matters in that context. I would have suggested that otherwise it's like talking about who would win in a fight between batman and superman but we've already seen that :wink:

.......there is an airplane on a conveyor belt......
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Next time a photo of Trump in the oval office is posted, see if there's a sign on his desk reading "The buck passes here". It is disgraceful of him to be pointing the finger at "the generals", Obama, and everywhere else for the failed Yemen raid. How many people feel comfortable that we have a President who is absolutely unable to take responsibility for or admit a failure? To me, this is a prescription of disaster after disaster, because I doubt he has the ability to learn. If you can't admit failure, how can you learn from it???
 
I'm hearing all sorts of people being impressed about what I'm told was a coherent speech...this should be expected and not a sign of great leader emerging.

He is still a shitty person and his policies still suck the most amount of suckiness possible...actually they could get worse.

Yep, like someone saying "my little cousin crossed the finish line at the special Olympics, he usually stops halfway through and runs into the stands....".

Not to make fun of special needs kids, but this is the closest analogy I can come up with to my feelings when I read these folks. Which is pretty sad actually.
 
Next time a photo of Trump in the oval office is posted, see if there's a sign on his desk reading "The buck goes in my pocket here". It is disgraceful of him to be pointing the finger at "the generals", Obama, and everywhere else for the failed Yemen raid. How many people feel comfortable that we have a President who is absolutely unable to take responsibility for or admit a failure? To me, this is a prescription of disaster after disaster, because I doubt he has the ability to learn. If you can't admit failure, how can you learn from it???

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Next time a photo of Trump in the oval office is posted, see if there's a sign on his desk reading "The buck passes here". It is disgraceful of him to be pointing the finger at "the generals", Obama, and everywhere else for the failed Yemen raid. How many people feel comfortable that we have a President who is absolutely unable to take responsibility for or admit a failure? To me, this is a prescription of disaster after disaster, because I doubt he has the ability to learn. If you can't admit failure, how can you learn from it???

That's why I was appalled by Dubya's administration...no accountability. The GOP and their supporters seem fine with it though. It's their silent mantra...take no blame.
 
Next time a photo of Trump in the oval office is posted, see if there's a sign on his desk reading "The buck passes here". It is disgraceful of him to be pointing the finger at "the generals", Obama, and everywhere else for the failed Yemen raid. How many people feel comfortable that we have a President who is absolutely unable to take responsibility for or admit a failure? To me, this is a prescription of disaster after disaster, because I doubt he has the ability to learn. If you can't admit failure, how can you learn from it???
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Over analyze/complicate things.

We're just talking/discussing. Maybe even debating.

Are you new to the forum or the concepts? Obviously not as I've seen you around for years, but it's what we do here. I'd apologize for it bothering you, but that's your problem.
 
That's why I was appalled by Dubya's administration...no accountability. The GOP and their supporters seem fine with it though. It's their silent mantra...take no blame.

I think my biggest problem with W was that. After it was blear there were no WMDs, if would he would have just owned it. Instead of keep saying we're still looking or well we took out a bad guy.
 
I've never traveled much, especially as a youth. But you can take my word that Birmingham AL in the 1960s had air that was just as bad(steel industry).
Los Angeles, too. I remember as a kid having "smog days" where we couldn't play outside at recess because of the poor air quality. People I know who are old would tell if the Kaiser steel plant in Fontana I think it was that would put tons of pollutants into the air and it would flow from there to sea through orange and Los Angeles counties. The orange groves here would use smudge pots to keep the trees from freezing putting tons of crap in the air.


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Yeah, we don't need the EPA.

also, de-clawing the epa will result in hundreds of thousands of jobs lost. mine, likely. nearly everything we do is directly related to the clean water act.
we design water treatment plants, sewer treatment plants, sewer seperation/removal projects, etc.

the construction plans i'm working on right now is for a 70 million dollar, 17 million gallon underground sewer storage tank and it's components. and that's just THIS year's project. we've been at this for a decade. and that's just my office. we have about 160 offices in 5 countries, and upwards of 20,000 employees.

that kind of work would never get done, if the law didn't require it.

i hope that someone gets the goods on this asshole and he gets shit canned.

the president should not have the authority to simply decide that dirty air and water are ok again, cuz, you know, it's more profitable.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
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