OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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sunvalleylaw said:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...-must-remain-secret.html?mid=twitter-share-di

I understand the practicality and value of this op-ed piece, and hate it at the same time.
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I slept on this and realize I disagree with a whole lot of it, and that the author is not really one to be tone policing. I agree with the practical suggestion that protests (alone, by themselves) are not organized efforts for long run change. But I disagree after thinking about it that the tea party is any sort of model for unity and effectiveness. The tea party was united only in the sense that an angry mob that wants to defy and obstruct is united. They have put forth no policies for governance. The lack of a replacement for the ACA is an example.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
I slept on this and realize I disagree with a whole lot of it, and that the author is not really one to be tone policing. I agree with the practical suggestion that protests (alone, by themselves) are not organized efforts for long run change. But I disagree after thinking about it that the tea party is any sort of model for unity and effectiveness. The tea party was united only in the sense that an angry mob that wants to defy and obstruct is united. They have put forth no policies for governance. The lack of a replacement for the ACA is an example.
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I think part of problem is they've been playing at repeal of the ACA for so long without any real consequences while Pres. Obama was in office; they knew it was just theater of the absurd & conditioned themselves like Pavlov's dog to the call. Some have grasped the concept that they will be held responsible, in the eyes of most voters, if they don't improve coverage/cost across the board. It's almost gross negligence that they've been trying to rip it apart at the seams all this time & never came up with anything better in the process of these last 6 years besides giving it back to the insurance companies to manage.
 
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sunvalleylaw said:
I slept on this and realize I disagree with a whole lot of it, and that the author is not really one to be tone policing. I agree with the practical suggestion that protests (alone, by themselves) are not organized efforts for long run change. But I disagree after thinking about it that the tea party is any sort of model for unity and effectiveness. The tea party was united only in the sense that an angry mob that wants to defy and obstruct is united. They have put forth no policies for governance. The lack of a replacement for the ACA is an example.
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imo.....the tea baggers are nothing more than angy, right wing, obstructionists. they've got nothing else.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
I slept on this and realize I disagree with a whole lot of it, and that the author is not really one to be tone policing. I agree with the practical suggestion that protests (alone, by themselves) are not organized efforts for long run change. But I disagree after thinking about it that the tea party is any sort of model for unity and effectiveness. The tea party was united only in the sense that an angry mob that wants to defy and obstruct is united. They have put forth no policies for governance. The lack of a replacement for the ACA is an example.
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More importantly, the tea party was always a well-funded astroturf movement. Liberalism doesn’t have thousands of wealthy people and businesses willing to funny money into shady PACs for the purpose of ginning up a political movement. What we need are better leaders in the organizations we already have. Especially the parties, which means liberals who aren’t neoliberal wonks and lawyers need to start running for office.
 
jp_nyc said:
More importantly, the tea party was always a well-funded astroturf movement. Liberalism doesn’t have thousands of wealthy people and businesses willing to funny money into shady PACs for the purpose of ginning up a political movement. What we need are better leaders in the organizations we already have. Especially the parties, which means liberals who aren’t neoliberal wonks and lawyers need to start running for office.
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yep....what the DNC needs is another Jack or Bobbie.....even Bill, at least he unified the party.
charisma, a sense of honesty, real people with a vision and message.
 
mongooz said:
yep....what the DNC needs is another Jack or Bobbie.....even Bill, at least he unified the party.
charisma, a sense of honesty, real people with a vision and message.
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I don't think the DNC needs a single unifying candidate, they need more organizers & strategists to cultivate viable candidates with better targeted messages to win seats out in the states where they've been taking a beating on the local/state/national levels. Especially with the possibility of voter dissatisfaction levels remaining high in two years.
 
Lerxst said:
I don't think the DNC needs a single unifying candidate, they need more organizers & strategists to cultivate viable candidates with better targeted messages to win seats out in the states where they've been taking a beating on the local/state/national levels. Especially with the possibility of voter dissatisfaction levels remaining high in two years.
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Agreed. One big personality who can win the White House is nothing if the GOP controls everything else. We learned that from Obama. We need charismatic leaders running all the liberal activist groups, NGOs, and in the state houses. And that means liberals need to get over stupid smear campaigns based on gaffes and simple fallibilities.
 
mongooz said:
jack and bobbie never used fake facts and fake news. and they certainly didn't keep insisting their fake facts are truth, even after the entire media called them on it.
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Kennedy blatantly lied about Soviet missile capabilities and his lies (and his father) helped him get elected.
 
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