OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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Dexter Inferno said:
And that will continue to be your problem.
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My problem, specifically, is that the "opposition" is just as culpable as the majority party. Democrats may talk like they want to make a progressive world. But they really just want to keep their jobs while pandering to a different group of donors. And they have bigger diversity issues than Republicans, making their words of inclusion ring hollow.

Buckle up, Kenneth. Shit's going down. It's not gonna be pretty.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
My problem, specifically, is that the "opposition" is just as culpable as the majority party. Democrats may talk like they want to make a progressive world. But they really just want to keep their jobs while pandering to a different group of donors. And they have bigger diversity issues than Republicans, making their words of inclusion ring hollow.

Buckle up, Kenneth. Shit's going down. It's not gonna be pretty.
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yeah, it's weird but doesn't look like anyone actually has the balls to actually say what they want.

I refuse to believe nobody actually gives a shit.
 
Dexter Inferno said:
yeah, it's weird but doesn't look like anyone actually has the balls to actually say what they want.

I refuse to believe nobody actually gives a shit.
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You've got some governors and mayors talking up liberal agendas. Here in New York, Andrew Cuomo has been talking up free college. But that's not health care. And Cuomo won't get any right leaning independents to vote for him. If they get to hearing 5 words come out of his mouth before branding him a godless northern liberal, they'll be convinced of it once they hear his pinched New York accent.
 
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Help!I'maRock! said:
You've got some governors and mayors talking up liberal agendas. Here in New York, Andrew Cuomo has been talking up free college. But that's not health care. And Cuomo won't get any right leaning independents to vote for him. If they get to hearing 5 words come out of his mouth before branding him a godless northern liberal, they'll be convinced of it once they hear his pinched New York accent.
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Yeah, let's all hear my fake NewYork accent. :embarrassed:
 
wagdog said:
Re: Bernie

I don't believe he stood a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected President against Trump. Quaint idea, really wasn't going to happen.

That's my opinion, take it for what it's worth. He's popular in his (adopted) home state, even with conservatives, but that appeal doesn't translate to the middle of the country.

Also, while I'm perfectly well aware the left is currently screwing themselves into the floor they're so befuddled, know that a LARGE chunk of the voting public is just tickled pink that Trump is stirring shit up so handily, and he's only on week one. Don't be so sure Trump won't get reelected.
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That is what I don't understand. A lot of what he has done by executive order is simply against what I consider to be traditional american ideals. And in some cases (ex. preferring christian refugees over other refugees), possibly against the US Constitution. I just don't get how people don't see that.


EDIT: I fact checked and found that he only suspended refugees, and simply promised to favor christian refugees.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
That is what I don't understand. A lot of what he has done by executive order is simply against what I consider to be traditional american ideals. And in some cases (ex. preferring christian refugees over other refugees), possibly against the US Constitution. I just don't get how people don't see that.
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they don't see it because they have a different take on reality. this is a WAR. a war of ideologies. he is the smoke screen for the christo-fascists to pass all the laws they have wanted to since kennedy/johnson took away their legal right to hate, openly and act on that hate.
the supreme court is in dire jeopardy of it's life. once they have gained control of the 'trinity', the press will be our only ally. and they're acting likes a reality game.
 
Dexter Inferno said:
I'm trying hard to not piss anyone off here, but here goes...

A lot of your problems boil down to your individualistic nature as Americans. Every man for himself and all that jazz.
That in itself is incredibly ironic considering your conservative politicians claim to be perfect Christians, but I won't go further into that.

Over here, free (or close to it) health care, free legal representation and free education until you're 16 is considered a basic human right and is all funded by the government. No matter the party, that's untouchable. That's just basic common sense.
This comes at the price of higher taxes, but no extra insurances or any of that bullshit. And I'm perfectly fine with that.
If my neighbour survives because of the tax money I pay? Good! Another time that might be me.

Sad thing it, you only have ONE politician who had the balls to say he wants to do something about it. Bernie.7
He's the sort of bloke the US desperately needs right now.
And the country goes and elects the one guy who will not do anything about it.
If anything you go back to pre-ACA times where only the wealthy can afford proper health care.
It will happen, trust me. You have an administration now that really doesn't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
I've never seen a conservative government that hasn't sided with the wealthy and business owners, and I'm stunned that the lower classes still buys into their promises.
They've been doing that shit for over 200 years, and people still fall for it.

Disturbingly many still don't know the difference between socialism and communism.
Socialism is about making sure as many as possible have at least a basic set of rights. Health, education, a job (or at worst welfare that allows you to actually have a life).
And caring for your neighbour. How anyone could see that as a bad thing is beyond me.

Ok, I'm ramblin now, but still...

As a people, you have the power to change this, but you really have to want it.

Mind you, not directly pointing at you sunvalleylaw, but Mericans in general.

And fingers crossed the Donald doesn't fuck things up properly on an international scale. I'm honestly scared shitless right now.
This is the closest we've been to a major fuckup in 70 years.
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^ He's a fair cop. cop0
 
Mark Wein said:
They make it sound like he can be herded like a sheep by more experienced world leaders The British Prime Minister Tried to Rein in President Trump - TIME
https://apple.news/AEHGfISI1SEmIcgRFy3nRQw


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sunvalleylaw said:
I was full Bernie. My state voted for him. He actually did well in rural areas, among people that voted Democrat, though the states were typically carried by the GOP.
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Seemed to me, Hillary won all the primaries in the first half and Bernie won all of them in the second half. Like, he would of won them all if he started sooner. The ball is really rolling now, people are protesting, ... Sure would of been great if they could rewind the clock. Start everything a year sooner.
 
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