OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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Dogsinotpalc said:
Classified information, information about current operations going on with our military and domestic/international agencies...not public information. The Republicans are as corrupt as they come, they outed an active CIA field operative and still won't own up to it. They think we're all gullible and they're more right than I'm comfortable with.

Snowden a little less so with regards to the NSA leak. I thought that was ridiculous...what did everyone think the Patriot Act was essentially de-regulating. The U.S. like all of the most developed nations has been spying on "friends" and enemies since just about forever. And there's the Patriot Act, Nixon's dream come true, thank you Dubya! (Or should we say Cheney?). Bullshit move on Snowden's part, but why was anyone shocked, be it him or any American? Stupidity is the only reason I can imagine.

I will never deny the possibility of corruption with ANY politician, but the witch hunt on the Clintons has been pathetic from day one. And let's not get into corruption when the Republicans offer us Trump. He is as corrupt and crooked a businessman as they come. Add to that that he has NO political knowledge or savvy and anyone that supports him, even as an alternative to being "gullible" enough to buy into the idea that Hillary is a criminal simply because they want her to be or don't like her or don't like women or don't like liberals or whatever bullshit they need to avoid admitting they're scared little babies that literally fear Latinos and Muslims (as well as any non-white, non-Christian, non-English-speaking, non-natural born citizen of the U.S.A.), is so woefully ignorant that it makes me fear for this nation in a way I never thought possible. But the most gullible people I know are the folks that bought into Limbaugh's notion of Hillary as a "fem-Nazi" because she wanted to be active as first lady and not just redecorate rooms in the White House or pick out china. The conservative '80s "yuppie" types were and remained threatened by women and vilified her in 1992 and never let it go. Such sad little men they are. She's not my ideal candidate, but none of my issues are even tangentially related to her gender. Trump supporters, men and women, keep talking harping on her lack of penis.

I'm also not saying this is you.

As to the age gap, I can't speak to that because I don't know how old you are or how old you think I am. I think it's more of philosophical difference. For instance the Tea Party folks and Birther folks are mostly racists that were afraid to call the President the word that first pops into their head when they see him or any other person of African descent. The idea of "taking our country back" after having had Dubya for eight years...pathetic. The system allows change, so people voted another way because the "other" side was unhappy for those eight years. So, just fucking vote and do it all the time, especially locally where is actually and specifically matters to the general "you".

Okay, this is too much, but the minds starts thinking and sometime the fingers start typing. Good day to y'all.
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I agree with you on some points and disagree on some points. But I think one thing we can agree upon is that there should be better candidates.

Unfortunately, I think between the controlled media and the controlling two party political system, that any new kind of "thinking" outside of the system is completely ignored, destroyed, and thrown away. Preventing the United States in having an honest, open, moral, and constitutional government.
 
William Cowper: “I admit I am sickened at the purchase of slaves, but I must be mumm, for how could we do without sugar or rum?”

Interesting article on the fight to extablish the new Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...-pitts-jr/article102264032.html#storylink=cpy

And under this in the op/ed page of my paper today is an article from the LA Times regarding a young latino woman who decided to come on over and help sell Trump after opposing his nomination. Amazing to me. I just don't get it.

"She once compared Donald Trump to a 'street dog.' Now it's her job to sell him to Latino voters"

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-profile-20160912-snap-story.html

Contacted my local Dem party to find out how to help with the more local races. We have some big issues here looming, and the State and County races are important this year. I am hoping to along the way engage some of the younger Bernie supporters I know and saw at our caucus, and if not motivate them to vote for Hillary, motivate them to get engaged on the local level and stay engaged. We need them.
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/politics/eric-trump-donald-trump-american-dream/index.html

"Well, I think he's a guy who has been an entrepreneurial guy," Eric Trump told Fox News on Friday after being asked about his father's outreach to millennial voters. "He's built an amazing company. He's become the epitome of the American dream."

Trump begun to say that millennials could relate to his father because "he's gone from just about nothing," but was interrupted by "Outnumbered" panelist Julie Roginsky.

"Nothing? He got a million bucks? I mean, come on," Roginsky interjected.

"Listen, he's built an unbelievable empire," Trump responded. "He's epitomized what America is all about: opportunity and working hard and being able to achieve your dreams and what you want to succeed, right?"

Trump continued, "It's no different from a (Mark) Zuckerberg, right, who went out with a great idea like Facebook and developed this idea and built it and grew it and grew it and grew it. That's achieving something, right? And I think it is very different than a person who has been career politician."​
 
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rhino said:
Jefferson already told you what he thought:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
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In this day and age, however, the people can in fact ALL be well informed. The problem is the choice to be accurately informed. A shit-ton of folks are extrememly well informed about unsubstantiated allegations, rumors and hearsay, discredited accusations, and outright lies in one EXTREMEMLY qualified but imperfect candidate. They buy into the illusion of a perfect candidate, there has NEVER been a perfect candidate. This same group has decided to be misinformed and reject the facts about the other unqualified candidate and his well documented track record of lies and corruption and everything else any mildly intelligent knows is true.

There has always been a choice in how informed we as individuals,families, communities, and nations are. So it's not about how informed the people are, but the quality of the information. Despite our information systems being flooded with shit, the accurate information is out there. Even the under-educated can access this information (free at public libraries). We don't have a big boogey man corrupt liberal media, but that notion has been sold so well that average people can't tell good information from bad, but what's worse...they don't really care.

If voters chose to take advantage of unfettered access to a previously unprecedented wealth of information on all topics, they'd realize that Jefferson's revolution can actually take place in the voting booth. Starting at a local level (town/city) and growing from there (county, state, regional, national international). But by willingly accepting the distractions of the "big" issues: taxes, abortion, guns, capital punishment, and other such shite, even well-educated voters lose sight of bigger issues. Education (especially as manufacturing jobs continue to evaporate and many infrastructure/maintenance positions are becoming more computer reliant), how taxes are levied and to whom, how those tax dollars are allocated, national votes on issues that are regionally relevant, seeing how even Presidents and politicians they've been trained to dislike or distrust have in fact worked for their--being the discontented constituents--interests (or even bigger interests that may go against traditional party platforms), etc.

The misconceptions aren't as easily hidden as they once were, but...
 
Can a person decide to be misinformed? Or is that the reality foisted upon them? It's not like one day you're watching Fox News, you take the green pill, and then you're watching PBS.
 
...now we find ourselves hitting that premonition-ed age wherein almost weekly we have mass gun violence and/or the "authorities" killing innocent, if not situational-ly nonthreatening individuals. So no need to take up arms, we are armed and quite dangerous all around.

That said, we don't see the real tyrants (or would be tyrants), we are still openly threatened by racial and gender difference, outmoded notions of superiority and inferiority. The folks that speak of and seem ready to act on the idea of revolution, don't want something new or better, they want what's comfortable, be it Dubya, Reagan, Nixon, etc.

They want their white (and I mean WHITE) picket fences and idyllic neighborhoods. Their big evil enemy overseas (while willing to swap Russians for Muslims and Asians). Their politicians supporting their God and helping protect their children from the evils of the liberal agenda...something they don't attempt to understand and fail to see is generally in the interest of the far greater good of this country and the world.

So they are willing to vote for a known liar, corrupt businessman, crappy husband, self-absorbed, daughter-oggling, woman-hating...well, you know.

Not unlike all of the holy books, the documents that founded this nation and the rhetoric of its founders are out-dated and sorely in need of revision. Unfortunately we have sides opposed on the revisions, with one side willing to spend an inordinate amount of time talking about and then actually working towards undoing previous legislation. We can be moving forward, but so many people just seem to want to live in the some glamorized delusion of past greatness and glory. So while I greatly respect much of what Jefferson and his contemporaries/peers/colleagues accomplished, their words we not set in stone, but in paper. In fact a piece of paper that was created to accommodate change (progress and regress). A system of government that not only checks and balances itself, but has the power to CHANGE itself. And despite all appearances, a lot of that power is still in the hands of electorate. An electorate that is too myopic to view the bigger and hopefully better picture...maybe even too obtuse to see or appreciate that picture.

Soory again (practicing my Canadian :thu:).
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
Can a person decide to be misinformed? Or is that the reality foisted upon them? It's not like one day you're watching Fox News, you take the green pill, and then you're watching PBS.
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Absolutely. Once they decided a singular media source is the only one telling the truth, they've chose to be misinformed. This isn't even fifty years ago, where you barely had choices in regional news; it's inexcusable today to rely on a single source and take their every word at face value.
 
Kerouac said:
Not to mention "small loan" of a million bucks is the hallmark of coming from almost nothing. Throw being a white male with a real estate daddy and his rise is unprecedented!
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Which at the time was worth about six million dollars in today's buying power.
 
Kerouac said:
Absolutely. Once they decided a singular media source is the only one telling the truth, they've chose to be misinformed. This isn't even fifty years ago, where you barely had choices in regional news; it's inexcusable today to rely on a single source and take their every word at face value.
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I take it as the reality foisted upon them. Even if a person's news comes from one source, that's the reality they live in. Showing them there is something else is flatly rejected. It's not a choice for them. That's their reality.
 
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