This is glorious music. You may disagree, but be prepared to face my wrath.

I don't have time to "get into" Ornette Coleman. Sorry.

Have some Miles Davis.
 
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...thats not the kind of track you try and convince a bunch of jazznorants is glorious...you have to start small with jazz, and work your way in...

...try this...I bet you'll scoff at it...but I think people round these parts could dig this more...

I've got plenty love for Bill Evans, but everyone digs Bill Evans.

This thread isn't about creating converts, it's about smiting the pagans!
 
I love jazz but am horribly ignorant of a lot players. This is the kind of thread I dig so I get put a name to the tune/sound.
Thanks for posting this. I liked it a lot.
 
ossum. it's taken me a while to get to Ornette. the first record of his that i bought was, oddly, "Skies of America". no real reason other than i was looking for a name and didn't know what i was buying. last year i bought "The Shape of Jazz to Come" and have been digging it since.

this sounds like my kinda record. will check out. :thu:
 
When I have negative thoughts about jazz..this is usually what I'm hearing. I appreciate the intensity and chops..but don't enjoy the tunes. :shrug:

i'm sure Matt will disagree, but this seems to make sense to me:

jazz started out as pop music. as time went on and that music was taken over by newer forms (rock n roll), as that happened, the jam sessions became the sound and the music got more technical, appealing to a smaller subset of the population.

turning people on to jazz through albums like "The Shape of Jazz to Come" or maybe even a Medeski, Martin, & Wood album; is kinda like introducing people to rock music through "Surfing with the Alien" having never heard Chuck Berry. it's just too abstract.
 
i'm sure Matt will disagree, but this seems to make sense to me:

jazz started out as pop music. as time went on and that music was taken over by newer forms (rock n roll), as that happened, the jam sessions became the sound and the music got more technical, appealing to a smaller subset of the population.

turning people on to jazz through albums like "The Shape of Jazz to Come" or maybe even a Medeski, Martin, & Wood album; is kinda like introducing people to rock music through "Surfing with the Alien" having never heard Chuck Berry. it's just too abstract.

It depends on who's being introduced to what, and we're they're coming from. I find The Yellow Shark, Jazz is Dead, Roxy & Elsewhere, etc., to be by far the most "accessible" of Zappa's records, for instance, and still can't take to his 60s material at all.

And I do know jazz fans who've jumped in with Ornette or Zorn or whoever, and worked their way back to Ellington; Pascal at GJ is a great example of that.
 
It depends on who's being introduced to what, and we're they're coming from. I find The Yellow Shark, Jazz is Dead, Roxy & Elsewhere, etc., to be by far the most "accessible" of Zappa's records, for instance, and still can't take to his 60s material at all.

And I do know jazz fans who've jumped in with Ornette or Zorn or whoever, and worked their way back to Ellington; Pascal at GJ is a great example of that.

Roxy, maybe. but definitely not the other two. you get it because of your background. it took me a while to get to both of them.

how would you get somebody who's primary background is Clapton, Beck, and Page; and thinks Beck is a little too far off the deep end, into jazz? for me, i'm bringing them back through the blues guys and to Charlie Christian, and then forward through Wes Montgomery "Smokin' at the Half Note". if you can get there, then you can get to Miles and then Ornette. if not, they become a blooz lawyer.
 
And I do know jazz fans who've jumped in with Ornette or Zorn or whoever, and worked their way back to Ellington; Pascal at GJ is a great example of that.

Pascal is also a great musician and very knowledgeable. I'm not sure that route would work for quite as well for someone with little musical background.

You can take a knowledgeable person in particle physics and introduce them to the cutting edge theories and work being done in some other field, like fluids, and they should be able to do alright after awhile. But the same couldn't be said of a Freshman physics major.

But then again, music isn't like knowledge in that only part of it is knowing how it's made and appreciating it through that view. There's a whole other part of just sitting with an open mind and liking what you hear, not thinking about it. Some people may just dig this type of stuff for one reason or another.
 
Roxy, maybe. but definitely not the other two. you get it because of your background. it took me a while to get to both of them.

how would you get somebody who's primary background is Clapton, Beck, and Page; and thinks Beck is a little too far off the deep end, into jazz? for me, i'm bringing them back through the blues guys and to Charlie Christian, and then forward through Wes Montgomery "Smokin' at the Half Note". if you can get there, then you can get to Miles and then Ornette. if not, they become a blooz lawyer.

Fucking guitarists are a whole other breed. Toss them something like Friday Night in San Francisco and they'll be happy. But y'know.

When it comes to art, gateway drugs are different for everyone.
 
I disagree.

muscians/affcianados(sp) get mighty hoighty-toighty over what makes music great.
9 times out of ten, I'd trust a non-player's recommendation over a musician's.
especially a guitarist.:wink:

if a piece of music moves me, it's great.
simple as that.
whether it's Rachmaninoff or the Ramones.

kinda unrelated, but that brought to mind a scene from that movie Amadeus, where one fella accuses Mozart of writing music with "too many notes". :lol:
 
kinda unrelated, but that brought to mind a scene from that movie Amadeus, where one fella accuses Mozart of writing music with "too many notes". :lol:

I've seen a lot of people quote that movie, but I've never known any of them to listen to Cosi fan tutte on a regular basis, so who's to say that the Emperor was wrong? :shrug:

(FWIW, I strongly believe that Amadeus is one of the most overrated plays/films of all-time.)
 
it's funny, that's pretty much the only part of the movie that I remember.

as far as I'm concerened, the best thing about that movie was that it spawned that awesome song from Falco.
 
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