Ricky Gervais does it again.

Chad said:
I've never really gotten that point. I work in IT, but doesn't mean the only things I know about are computers. I'm sure you are more knowledgeable in areas other than your occupation. Not too mention, actors and musicians travel the world. They see the entire world and can observe other cultures and gain more perspective than people who work a 9 to 5 and get 2 weeks off a year where they may not even leave their state. Yes, they are sometimes clueless, but just because someone is an actor or musician, doesn't mean their opinions and observations are not valid.
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I was going to leave this alone, but as has been repeatedly demonstrated, I'm not great at knowing when to shut the F up. :wink:

First off, I'll say that I don't believe that their opinions are not valid. Everyone's opinions are valid.

Regarding my lack of high respect for said opinions, I can only speak for myself, but I suspect there are some that feel the same way. What I've never understood is the near-royalty status that those in the entertainment industry (and I'd include professional athletes in that category) are granted in this country. There are TV shows, even entire TV channels, devoted to following them along with mass appeal on social media, etc. In the end, they're just doing a job. It's not an easy job, actors/actresses and athletes all work very hard to get where they are, and I respect that. However, because of their inflated status (IMO) they have much appeal and influence over those that envy their position, which also inflates the value of their opinions. To paraphrase Orwell, all opinions are valid, but some are more valid than others. Much of the Hollywood crowd seem to buy into that mantra, but I cannot, and it rubs me the wrong way when they demonstrate it.

Add to that the inappropriateness of the venue (awards show) for political discussion, as I have already expressed, and maybe you can understand my point of view. Perhaps my view of celebrities is overly harsh. I dunno, it's just my valid, or invalid, opinion. :shrug:
 
shoeless said:
I was going to leave this alone, but as has been repeatedly demonstrated, I'm not great at knowing when to shut the F up. :wink:

First off, I'll say that I don't believe that their opinions are not valid. Everyone's opinions are valid.

Regarding my lack of high respect for said opinions, I can only speak for myself, but I suspect there are some that feel the same way. What I've never understood is the near-royalty status that those in the entertainment industry (and I'd include professional athletes in that category) are granted in this country. There are TV shows, even entire TV channels, devoted to following them along with mass appeal on social media, etc. In the end, they're just doing a job. It's not an easy job, actors/actresses and athletes all work very hard to get where they are, and I respect that. However, because of their inflated status (IMO) they have much appeal and influence over those that envy their position, which also inflates the value of their opinions. To paraphrase Orwell, all opinions are valid, but some are more valid than others. Much of the Hollywood crowd seem to buy into that mantra, but I cannot, and it rubs me the wrong way when they demonstrate it.

Add to that the inappropriateness of the venue (awards show) for political discussion, as I have already expressed, and maybe you can understand my point of view. Perhaps my view of celebrities is overly harsh. I dunno, it's just my valid, or invalid, opinion. :shrug:
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I don't disagree with this. I just disagreed with what I said, just because they are actors, doesn't mean they only know acting. I can't remember the last time I watched an awards show, I too have no clue why people fawn over actors, so why watch a show to 'honor' them. I really don't care what they say when they are up there.
 
Acting awards are about the a third of these award shows.

It’s almost certainly true that most Hollywood actors lack the same level of education as, say, British stage actors... but I don’t know if you can say that about directors, costume designers, set designers, screenwriters, editors, cinematographers, composers, etc. Getting to that level takes a lot of smarts.
 
Flamencology said:
Acting awards are about the a third of these award shows.

It’s almost certainly true that most Hollywood actors lack the same level of education as, say, British stage actors... but I don’t know if you can say that about directors, costume designers, set designers, screenwriters, editors, cinematographers, composers, etc. Getting to that level takes a lot of smarts.
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I'm assuming Hollywood actors lack the same level of education as American stage actors, as many stage actors come out of college drama programs
 
VoidTerraFirma said:
Pointing out that Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro have a better sense of humor than you is a potent self-own.
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Nah, it's because it is pandering to them. It's their list of grievances in 'joke' form. It's also not directed at them (or me) so you can't really congratulate them for anything.

Also, 'liking more stuff = better' makes no sense anyway. Particularly on a forum that hates/ignores so many things otherwise.
 
rickenvox said:
I'm assuming Hollywood actors lack the same level of education as American stage actors, as many stage actors come out of college drama programs
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Yes. They’re the middle tier. That’s why Hollywood looks to Britain to find someone to play MLK.
 
Tralfaz said:
Yes, British actors are so much better educated, which is how they are able to produce such sophisticated humour about Dame Judi Dench licking her minge.
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It’s something you ought to have learned a long time ago — it’s all been done before.
 
If actors (and anyone else in the industry eligible for the Golden Globes) are the most out of touch idiots, then films and TV series' themselves should also be considered an inappropriate venue for politics. Or perhaps any sort of message at all.

I mean it is the same exact people as the awards show. And if they know absolutely nothing, then they should not be doing it there either. And films are also things where people 'just want to relax' and voluntarily watch them the same as an awards show. Politics then is definitely going to hurt their feelings in a movie theater or on a TV set. And the same complaint about them having an disproportionate influence on culture is also true there. In fact, a million times greater than awards shows.

Even slapstick and romance might be too much. Like what if someone slaps a cop or the romance is not straight. Then you're shooooving your politics down everyone's throats!!! I mean I see as much when I read reviews on IMDB. Where geniuses claim Jack Ryan is a Social Justice Warrior or that Man in the High Castle is just Jeff Bezos promoting uh black nationalism or something. And then claim HRMPH!!! I WILL NOT BE WATCHING THIS EVER AGAIN!!!!

The same should also apply to musicians. I mean you can caricature them as people who just look pretty and vibrate strings/blow wind around/hit things with a stick. Then they are just too dumb to know politics, or really shouldn't sing any words at all. Because what will they even know being so damn stupid?! Down with Beatles/Dylan/Springsteen... up with Kenny G? They also have the same 'hypocrisy' of having to use streaming services just like actors.
 
My favorite Pat Sajak tweet was when he said that believing in global warming is 'unpatriotic racism' to destroy America. He's like the embodiment of why OK Boomer exists.

Aww shucks I'm just a game show host aren't we celebs so out of touch. And who are we to tell you whats what. But I'm gonna go ahead and tweet constantly about politics and then write my political column and then go on cable news as a political commentator. But it's uh other celebs who lacks self-awareness...
 
Ricky is also worth $110 million so when he says that he doesn't care, he probably doesn't. But would he have said that stuff if he found himself hosting the show and was in the first year of his career & his net worth was $110 thousand instead of million?

Once again, vitriol is his style but it's way easier when everyone loves you and you're rich. If I was rich, I would be more vitriolic.
 
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